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		<title>By: Podtrapper developer on BlackBerry development, pricing and marketing : Life-Today.co.uk</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2007/09/21/vodafone-in-mobile-web-storm/comment-page-2/#comment-234311</link>
		<dc:creator>Podtrapper developer on BlackBerry development, pricing and marketing : Life-Today.co.uk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] lot of that learning can only happen when your app is in the field. That’s when you find out that Vodafone is running all HTTP responses through a proxy that changes the output. You can’t really test that in a simulator. Because my app is heavily network centric it makes [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] lot of that learning can only happen when your app is in the field. That’s when you find out that Vodafone is running all HTTP responses through a proxy that changes the output. You can’t really test that in a simulator. Because my app is heavily network centric it makes [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Podtrapper developer on BlackBerry development, pricing and marketing &#124; BBERRYNEWS</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2007/09/21/vodafone-in-mobile-web-storm/comment-page-2/#comment-234039</link>
		<dc:creator>Podtrapper developer on BlackBerry development, pricing and marketing &#124; BBERRYNEWS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of that learning can only happen when your app is in the field. That&#8217;s when you find out that Vodafone is running all HTTP responses through a proxy that changes the output. You can&#8217;t really test that in a simulator. Because my app is heavily network centric it [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of that learning can only happen when your app is in the field. That&#8217;s when you find out that Vodafone is running all HTTP responses through a proxy that changes the output. You can&#8217;t really test that in a simulator. Because my app is heavily network centric it [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Podtrapper developer on BlackBerry development, pricing and marketing &#124; BlackBerry Cool</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2007/09/21/vodafone-in-mobile-web-storm/comment-page-2/#comment-233989</link>
		<dc:creator>Podtrapper developer on BlackBerry development, pricing and marketing &#124; BlackBerry Cool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of that learning can only happen when your app is in the field. That&#8217;s when you find out that Vodafone is running all HTTP responses through a proxy that changes the output. You can&#8217;t really test that in a simulator. Because my app is heavily network centric it [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of that learning can only happen when your app is in the field. That&#8217;s when you find out that Vodafone is running all HTTP responses through a proxy that changes the output. You can&#8217;t really test that in a simulator. Because my app is heavily network centric it [...]</p>
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		<title>By: whatleydude &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Mobile Web and the &#8216;m.&#8217; solution</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2007/09/21/vodafone-in-mobile-web-storm/comment-page-2/#comment-206101</link>
		<dc:creator>whatleydude &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Mobile Web and the &#8216;m.&#8217; solution</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Compressing banner ads and re-sizing images to give an out-of-context and screwed up version of the website the user is trying to view is SUCH a poor experience it&#8217;s not even worth talking about, especially when others have already hit the nail on the head so perfectly &#8212; read more about the Vodafone contoversy in-depth here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Compressing banner ads and re-sizing images to give an out-of-context and screwed up version of the website the user is trying to view is SUCH a poor experience it&#8217;s not even worth talking about, especially when others have already hit the nail on the head so perfectly &#8212; read more about the Vodafone contoversy in-depth here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: turk pornosu</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2007/09/21/vodafone-in-mobile-web-storm/comment-page-2/#comment-200630</link>
		<dc:creator>turk pornosu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@alan p - you don’t have to write an essay in order to reference the most important standards for mobile Web.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@alan p &#8211; you don’t have to write an essay in order to reference the most important standards for mobile Web.</p>
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		<title>By: turk pornosu</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2007/09/21/vodafone-in-mobile-web-storm/comment-page-2/#comment-200629</link>
		<dc:creator>turk pornosu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh, something got lost there. I tried to say “The &lg;link&gt; technique accomplishes this…”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, something got lost there. I tried to say “The &lg;link&gt; technique accomplishes this…”</p>
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		<title>By: Bobby</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2007/09/21/vodafone-in-mobile-web-storm/comment-page-2/#comment-193109</link>
		<dc:creator>Bobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 00:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Same problem with our sites, encouraging our customers away from Vodafone, 3&#039;s a good alternative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same problem with our sites, encouraging our customers away from Vodafone, 3&#8217;s a good alternative.</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; There is More Than One Guy Concerned With Mobile Transcoding</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2007/09/21/vodafone-in-mobile-web-storm/comment-page-1/#comment-134467</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; There is More Than One Guy Concerned With Mobile Transcoding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 14:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] For those of you not aware of this issue, here&#8217;s what&#8217;s going on. There are a number of mobile carriers using Novarra&#8217;s transcoding technology which allows ordinary Internet web sites to be adapted for mobile handsets. They are not the first transcoder on the web, but I believe they are the first that completely hides the information about the actual phone and browser it is being viewed on. When Vodafone UK launched the Novarra transcoder on the now infamous 7/7/07 , to enable desktop optimised websites to render better on mobile, the result was outcry from thousands of content providers large and small that their sites could no longer be seen, were corrupted, or were destroyed. http://uk.techcrunch.com/2007/09/21/vodafone-in-mobile-web-storm/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] For those of you not aware of this issue, here&#8217;s what&#8217;s going on. There are a number of mobile carriers using Novarra&#8217;s transcoding technology which allows ordinary Internet web sites to be adapted for mobile handsets. They are not the first transcoder on the web, but I believe they are the first that completely hides the information about the actual phone and browser it is being viewed on. When Vodafone UK launched the Novarra transcoder on the now infamous 7/7/07 , to enable desktop optimised websites to render better on mobile, the result was outcry from thousands of content providers large and small that their sites could no longer be seen, were corrupted, or were destroyed. <a href="http://uk.techcrunch.com/2007/09/21/vodafone-in-mobile-web-storm/" rel="nofollow">http://uk.techcrunch.com/2007/09/21/vodafone-in-mobile-web-storm/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; There is More Than One Guy Concerned With Mobile Transcoding</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2007/09/21/vodafone-in-mobile-web-storm/comment-page-1/#comment-134462</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; There is More Than One Guy Concerned With Mobile Transcoding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 13:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] For those of you not aware of this issue, here&#8217;s what&#8217;s going on. There are a number of mobile carriers using Novarra&#8217;s transcoding technology which allows ordinary Internet web sites to be adapted for mobile handsets. They are not the first transcoder on the web, but I believe they are the first that completely hides the information about the actual phone and browser it is being viewed on.  When Vodafone UK launched the Novarra transcoder on the now infamous 7/7/07 , to enable desktop optimised websites to render better on mobile, the result was outcry from thousands of content providers large and small that their sites could no longer be seen, were corrupted, or were destroyed.&#160;  http://uk.techcrunch.com/2007/09/21/vodafone-in-mobile-web-storm/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] For those of you not aware of this issue, here&#8217;s what&#8217;s going on. There are a number of mobile carriers using Novarra&#8217;s transcoding technology which allows ordinary Internet web sites to be adapted for mobile handsets. They are not the first transcoder on the web, but I believe they are the first that completely hides the information about the actual phone and browser it is being viewed on.  When Vodafone UK launched the Novarra transcoder on the now infamous 7/7/07 , to enable desktop optimised websites to render better on mobile, the result was outcry from thousands of content providers large and small that their sites could no longer be seen, were corrupted, or were destroyed.&nbsp;  <a href="http://uk.techcrunch.com/2007/09/21/vodafone-in-mobile-web-storm/" rel="nofollow">http://uk.techcrunch.com/2007/09/21/vodafone-in-mobile-web-storm/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Transcoding the Truth? &#171; Mobile Soapbox</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2007/09/21/vodafone-in-mobile-web-storm/comment-page-1/#comment-134367</link>
		<dc:creator>Transcoding the Truth? &#171; Mobile Soapbox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 17:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] http://uk.techcrunch.com/2007/09/21/vodafone-in-mobile-web-storm/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] <a href="http://uk.techcrunch.com/2007/09/21/vodafone-in-mobile-web-storm/" rel="nofollow">http://uk.techcrunch.com/2007/09/21/vodafone-in-mobile-web-storm/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mobile Interoperability: Mobile Developer Community takes a stance against aggressive usage of reformatting proxies &#124; Commercial Open Source Software</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2007/09/21/vodafone-in-mobile-web-storm/comment-page-1/#comment-133139</link>
		<dc:creator>Mobile Interoperability: Mobile Developer Community takes a stance against aggressive usage of reformatting proxies &#124; Commercial Open Source Software</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] discussion about content reformatting is not new. It was initiated last year by Vodafone UK when they decided to switch millions of WAP users over to a new reformatting proxy, thus causing a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] discussion about content reformatting is not new. It was initiated last year by Vodafone UK when they decided to switch millions of WAP users over to a new reformatting proxy, thus causing a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Open Source Mobile: the (open source) Future of Mobile &#124; Commercial Open Source Software</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2007/09/21/vodafone-in-mobile-web-storm/comment-page-1/#comment-133135</link>
		<dc:creator>Open Source Mobile: the (open source) Future of Mobile &#124; Commercial Open Source Software</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] web application designed to simplify the contribution process, today mail-based. He raised the well known Vodafone issue - regarding the fact Vodafone is stripping out the essential device identification information that [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] web application designed to simplify the contribution process, today mail-based. He raised the well known Vodafone issue &#8211; regarding the fact Vodafone is stripping out the essential device identification information that [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Italian Open Source developers: Luca Passani &#124; Commercial Open Source Software</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2007/09/21/vodafone-in-mobile-web-storm/comment-page-1/#comment-133133</link>
		<dc:creator>Italian Open Source developers: Luca Passani &#124; Commercial Open Source Software</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://uk.techcrunch.com/2007/09/21/vodafone-in-mobile-web-storm/#comment-133133</guid>
		<description>[...] the Cocoon GetTogether recently held in Rome, I met Luca Passani, an Italian software engineer experienced in Web and Mobile Internet development, known to the open [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the Cocoon GetTogether recently held in Rome, I met Luca Passani, an Italian software engineer experienced in Web and Mobile Internet development, known to the open [...]</p>
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		<title>By: On Message by Ben Gross &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Link roundup for 10/1/07</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2007/09/21/vodafone-in-mobile-web-storm/comment-page-1/#comment-116122</link>
		<dc:creator>On Message by Ben Gross &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Link roundup for 10/1/07</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 03:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://uk.techcrunch.com/2007/09/21/vodafone-in-mobile-web-storm/#comment-116122</guid>
		<description>[...] TechCrunch UK &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Vodafone in mobile web storm: While the debate is over relatively low level details, it illustrates the tensions between developers and carriers. Essentially Vodafone has limited the ability of developers who are not pre-approved to identify what type of the browser the user is employing to access their site. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] TechCrunch UK &raquo; Blog Archive &raquo; Vodafone in mobile web storm: While the debate is over relatively low level details, it illustrates the tensions between developers and carriers. Essentially Vodafone has limited the ability of developers who are not pre-approved to identify what type of the browser the user is employing to access their site. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: TechCrunch UK &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Vodafone&#8217;s missed opportunity, and the iPhone&#8217;s gain</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2007/09/21/vodafone-in-mobile-web-storm/comment-page-1/#comment-105172</link>
		<dc:creator>TechCrunch UK &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Vodafone&#8217;s missed opportunity, and the iPhone&#8217;s gain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 11:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] services. This, we must remember is the mobile operator which bangs on about the mobile web, while transcoding everything to within an inch of its life (destroying lots of mobile web startus in the process, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] services. This, we must remember is the mobile operator which bangs on about the mobile web, while transcoding everything to within an inch of its life (destroying lots of mobile web startus in the process, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Normob.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Mobile Web and the &#8216;m.&#8217; solution</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2007/09/21/vodafone-in-mobile-web-storm/comment-page-1/#comment-96171</link>
		<dc:creator>Normob.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Mobile Web and the &#8216;m.&#8217; solution</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 05:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://uk.techcrunch.com/2007/09/21/vodafone-in-mobile-web-storm/#comment-96171</guid>
		<description>[...] Compressing banner ads and re-sizing images to give an out-of-context and screwed up version of the website the user is trying to view is SUCH a poor experience it’s not even worth talking about, especially when others have already hit the nail on the head so perfectly -– read more about the Vodafone contoversy in-depth here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Compressing banner ads and re-sizing images to give an out-of-context and screwed up version of the website the user is trying to view is SUCH a poor experience it’s not even worth talking about, especially when others have already hit the nail on the head so perfectly -– read more about the Vodafone contoversy in-depth here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: SMS Text News &#187; Archives &#187; The Mobile Web and the &#8216;m.&#8217; solution</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2007/09/21/vodafone-in-mobile-web-storm/comment-page-1/#comment-84571</link>
		<dc:creator>SMS Text News &#187; Archives &#187; The Mobile Web and the &#8216;m.&#8217; solution</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://uk.techcrunch.com/2007/09/21/vodafone-in-mobile-web-storm/#comment-84571</guid>
		<description>[...] Compressing banner ads and re-sizing images to give an out-of-context and screwed up version of the website the user is trying to view is SUCH a poor experience it’s not even worth talking about, especially when others have already hit the nail on the head so perfectly -– read more about the Vodafone contoversy in-depth here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Compressing banner ads and re-sizing images to give an out-of-context and screwed up version of the website the user is trying to view is SUCH a poor experience it’s not even worth talking about, especially when others have already hit the nail on the head so perfectly -– read more about the Vodafone contoversy in-depth here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Butcher</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2007/09/21/vodafone-in-mobile-web-storm/comment-page-1/#comment-40839</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Butcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 08:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m planning a follow-up to this story in light of recent moves my other operators to meddle with third-party sites. Contact me if you have something to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m planning a follow-up to this story in light of recent moves my other operators to meddle with third-party sites. Contact me if you have something to say.</p>
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		<title>By: Luca Passani</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2007/09/21/vodafone-in-mobile-web-storm/comment-page-1/#comment-39412</link>
		<dc:creator>Luca Passani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 13:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Simon

I would a few extra rules:
- MIME type is either application/xhtml+xml or application/vnd.wap.xhtml+xml 
- page size (markup only) is under,say, 20kb

Luca</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Simon</p>
<p>I would a few extra rules:<br />
- MIME type is either application/xhtml+xml or application/vnd.wap.xhtml+xml<br />
- page size (markup only) is under,say, 20kb</p>
<p>Luca</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Thomas</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2007/09/21/vodafone-in-mobile-web-storm/comment-page-1/#comment-39290</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 01:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simple Solution :-

All Transcoding Proxies should Not Transcode if any of the following apply:

1) The page has a Mobile Specific DocType.
2) The Content Type Header being sent out is Mobile Specific.
3) The Cache-Control Header contains &#039;no-transform&#039;
4) is a .mobi domain name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simple Solution :-</p>
<p>All Transcoding Proxies should Not Transcode if any of the following apply:</p>
<p>1) The page has a Mobile Specific DocType.<br />
2) The Content Type Header being sent out is Mobile Specific.<br />
3) The Cache-Control Header contains &#8216;no-transform&#8217;<br />
4) is a .mobi domain name.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Owen</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2007/09/21/vodafone-in-mobile-web-storm/comment-page-1/#comment-39216</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 18:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh, something got lost there. I tried to say &quot;The &lg;link&gt; technique accomplishes this...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, something got lost there. I tried to say &#8220;The &lg;link&gt; technique accomplishes this&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Owen</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2007/09/21/vodafone-in-mobile-web-storm/comment-page-1/#comment-39215</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 18:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow this crap-storm is moving all over the blogosphere! Such familiar faces. I suppose I have to post here too, briefly, to say:

I really think folks are slamming Vodafone too much. I actually think the User-Agent behavior is correct since the proxy changes the header to say &quot;you are talking to a proxy now, not the phone itself!&quot; I think what people are really after is a way to say &quot;don&#039;t transcode me! I want to work with the phone directly.&quot; The  technique accomplishes this and works on the Google transcoder (which incidentally should be taking as much flak, since it does the same thing!) and maybe the VF proxy too already.

Now we can argue about whether this is the right standard, possibly in a productive context like the W3C. We can argue about whether any burden should rest on the content author in this regard. And, clearly this change was relatively sudden and disruptive for practitioners, regardless of whether it was right, and so maybe that could have been handled better. But those are the real issues here, not User-Agent this or evil-ness or sucks that or any of this other moral outrage. Calm!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow this crap-storm is moving all over the blogosphere! Such familiar faces. I suppose I have to post here too, briefly, to say:</p>
<p>I really think folks are slamming Vodafone too much. I actually think the User-Agent behavior is correct since the proxy changes the header to say &#8220;you are talking to a proxy now, not the phone itself!&#8221; I think what people are really after is a way to say &#8220;don&#8217;t transcode me! I want to work with the phone directly.&#8221; The  technique accomplishes this and works on the Google transcoder (which incidentally should be taking as much flak, since it does the same thing!) and maybe the VF proxy too already.</p>
<p>Now we can argue about whether this is the right standard, possibly in a productive context like the W3C. We can argue about whether any burden should rest on the content author in this regard. And, clearly this change was relatively sudden and disruptive for practitioners, regardless of whether it was right, and so maybe that could have been handled better. But those are the real issues here, not User-Agent this or evil-ness or sucks that or any of this other moral outrage. Calm!</p>
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		<title>By: Luca Passani</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2007/09/21/vodafone-in-mobile-web-storm/comment-page-1/#comment-39208</link>
		<dc:creator>Luca Passani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 18:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; &quot;you copied the W3C guidelines and made a few changes
&gt; (as pointed out to you by Sean from Google).&quot;

This proves that you are not that great expert you would like the world to believe:
- first GAP and BPWG are very different (and incompatible to a large extent. If you follow GAP, you are not BP)
- GAP totally discard one-web, which is the foundation of BP
- GAP is based on the capabilities of real existining devices. BP is based on the wishful thinking of the companies that happened to sit in BPWG (your included).
- Among the plethora of document that BP is based on, there are some that were authored by (suprise surprise) me before W3C even realised that the mobile web existed.

This article (the author of which I am in not affiliated with) provides a good summary of the difference between the two:

http://www.fiercedeveloper.com/story/editor-s-corner/2007-03-13

don&#039;t forget to read the comments too.

Luca</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; &#8220;you copied the W3C guidelines and made a few changes<br />
&gt; (as pointed out to you by Sean from Google).&#8221;</p>
<p>This proves that you are not that great expert you would like the world to believe:<br />
- first GAP and BPWG are very different (and incompatible to a large extent. If you follow GAP, you are not BP)<br />
- GAP totally discard one-web, which is the foundation of BP<br />
- GAP is based on the capabilities of real existining devices. BP is based on the wishful thinking of the companies that happened to sit in BPWG (your included).<br />
- Among the plethora of document that BP is based on, there are some that were authored by (suprise surprise) me before W3C even realised that the mobile web existed.</p>
<p>This article (the author of which I am in not affiliated with) provides a good summary of the difference between the two:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fiercedeveloper.com/story/editor-s-corner/2007-03-13" rel="nofollow">http://www.fiercedeveloper.com/story/editor-s-corner/2007-03-13</a></p>
<p>don&#8217;t forget to read the comments too.</p>
<p>Luca</p>
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		<title>By: David Harper</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2007/09/21/vodafone-in-mobile-web-storm/comment-page-1/#comment-39189</link>
		<dc:creator>David Harper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 16:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Paul Walsh

Duly noted.

...and thank you for confirming  that this affects &quot;the W3C MWI mobileOK which means it’ll affect .mobi - .mobi guidelines.&quot;

David Harper</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Paul Walsh</p>
<p>Duly noted.</p>
<p>&#8230;and thank you for confirming  that this affects &#8220;the W3C MWI mobileOK which means it’ll affect .mobi &#8211; .mobi guidelines.&#8221;</p>
<p>David Harper</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Walsh</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2007/09/21/vodafone-in-mobile-web-storm/comment-page-1/#comment-39185</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Luca, you copied the W3C guidelines and made a few changes (as pointed out to you by Sean from Google).

@David, “This implementation is affecting delivery of W3C mobileOK and .mobi standards-compliant XHTML-MP Basic as well.”

I think it does affect the W3C MWI mobileOK which means it&#039;ll affect .mobi - .mobi guidelines are MWI guidelines with a little tweaking to make them more accessible. Jo Rabin does help ensure they both end up doing the same thing - which is good.

Please note that my post wasn&#039;t covering the debate. All my commentary is directed at the termonlogy of WAP and Web - they&#039;re two entirely different technologies, user requirements and marketing issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Luca, you copied the W3C guidelines and made a few changes (as pointed out to you by Sean from Google).</p>
<p>@David, “This implementation is affecting delivery of W3C mobileOK and .mobi standards-compliant XHTML-MP Basic as well.”</p>
<p>I think it does affect the W3C MWI mobileOK which means it&#8217;ll affect .mobi &#8211; .mobi guidelines are MWI guidelines with a little tweaking to make them more accessible. Jo Rabin does help ensure they both end up doing the same thing &#8211; which is good.</p>
<p>Please note that my post wasn&#8217;t covering the debate. All my commentary is directed at the termonlogy of WAP and Web &#8211; they&#8217;re two entirely different technologies, user requirements and marketing issues.</p>
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