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	<title>Comments on: Is Wuala a BitTorrent 2.0?</title>
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		<title>By: Startups show their wares at Web2Expo Europe</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2007/10/09/is-wuala-a-bittorrent-20/comment-page-1/#comment-172328</link>
		<dc:creator>Startups show their wares at Web2Expo Europe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] back in Pitchamp, the startups were ranked by judges. The winner ended up being Wuala, which we&#8217;ve written about extensively. In second place was Youcalc. And - can you believe it - there was a three-way [...]</description>
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		<title>By: TechCrunch Japanese アーカイブ &#187; Wuala、ソーシャルグリッドストレージの公開ベータを明日開始</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2007/10/09/is-wuala-a-bittorrent-20/comment-page-1/#comment-151237</link>
		<dc:creator>TechCrunch Japanese アーカイブ &#187; Wuala、ソーシャルグリッドストレージの公開ベータを明日開始</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 01:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] WualaはXdriveやBox.netなどとストレージ分野で競合することになるが、著しい違いがいくつかある。ファイルは暗号化された小さな断片になってユーザーの「Wuala Grid」全体に分散されて保存され、Wualaサーバーにミラーリングされる。ウェブストレージと異なり、オフラインでもWualaにファイルをドラッグ＆ドロップできる。TechCrunch UKが昨年10月にWualaに関する最初の記事を書いた。また先月同サイトがちら見せプレビューを一般公開した。   CrunchBase Information   Wuala  Information provided by CrunchBase [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] WualaはXdriveやBox.netなどとストレージ分野で競合することになるが、著しい違いがいくつかある。ファイルは暗号化された小さな断片になってユーザーの「Wuala Grid」全体に分散されて保存され、Wualaサーバーにミラーリングされる。ウェブストレージと異なり、オフラインでもWualaにファイルをドラッグ＆ドロップできる。TechCrunch UKが昨年10月にWualaに関する最初の記事を書いた。また先月同サイトがちら見せプレビューを一般公開した。   CrunchBase Information   Wuala  Information provided by CrunchBase [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Wuala launches public beta tomorrow</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2007/10/09/is-wuala-a-bittorrent-20/comment-page-1/#comment-151224</link>
		<dc:creator>Wuala launches public beta tomorrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 00:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on Wuala&#8217;s servers. Unlike Web storage, you can drag and drop files into Wuala on or offline. TechCrunch UK broke the story about Wuala back in October last year.   CrunchBase Information   Wuala  [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Wuala: The Future of Popular File Sharing and Storage &#124; genieyclo</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2007/10/09/is-wuala-a-bittorrent-20/comment-page-1/#comment-149206</link>
		<dc:creator>Wuala: The Future of Popular File Sharing and Storage &#124; genieyclo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] UK did a piece on how similiar Wuala seemed to Bittorrent, at least in concept. This is true to a point. The whole [...]</description>
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		<title>By: You Have Three Days To Check Out Wuala’s ‘Social Grid’ Storage : Oragle</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2007/10/09/is-wuala-a-bittorrent-20/comment-page-1/#comment-146805</link>
		<dc:creator>You Have Three Days To Check Out Wuala’s ‘Social Grid’ Storage : Oragle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 15:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] TechCrunch UK broke the story about Wuala back in October last year. Dominik Grolimund, CEO, previously founded a software company in Switzerland, but exited from that so Wuala is self-funded right now. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] TechCrunch UK broke the story about Wuala back in October last year. Dominik Grolimund, CEO, previously founded a software company in Switzerland, but exited from that so Wuala is self-funded right now. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: You Have Three Days To Check Out Wuala&#8217;s &#8216;Social Grid&#8217; Storage</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2007/10/09/is-wuala-a-bittorrent-20/comment-page-1/#comment-146519</link>
		<dc:creator>You Have Three Days To Check Out Wuala&#8217;s &#8216;Social Grid&#8217; Storage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] TechCrunch UK broke the story about Wuala back in October last year. Dominik Grolimund, CEO, previously founded a software company in Switzerland, but exited from that so Wuala is self-funded right now. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] TechCrunch UK broke the story about Wuala back in October last year. Dominik Grolimund, CEO, previously founded a software company in Switzerland, but exited from that so Wuala is self-funded right now. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: TechCrunch UK &#187; Blog Archive &#187; EU startups getting name-checked</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2007/10/09/is-wuala-a-bittorrent-20/comment-page-1/#comment-116427</link>
		<dc:creator>TechCrunch UK &#187; Blog Archive &#187; EU startups getting name-checked</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 09:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 123people 2. Alenty ( see TC coverage) 3. Assetbar 4. Business IT Online (UK) 5. Caleido / Wuala (TC Coverage) 6. Cellity 7. Floobs 8. HumanGrid 9. Mobiya 10. MyOwnDB 11. Nugg.ad 12. Radionomy 13. Refresh [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 123people 2. Alenty ( see TC coverage) 3. Assetbar 4. Business IT Online (UK) 5. Caleido / Wuala (TC Coverage) 6. Cellity 7. Floobs 8. HumanGrid 9. Mobiya 10. MyOwnDB 11. Nugg.ad 12. Radionomy 13. Refresh [...]</p>
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		<title>By: TechCrunch UK &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 100 Wuala invites for readers</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2007/10/09/is-wuala-a-bittorrent-20/comment-page-1/#comment-54555</link>
		<dc:creator>TechCrunch UK &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 100 Wuala invites for readers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Berlin Web 2 Expo I ran into Dominik Grolimund, CEO of peer-to-peer storage application Wuala (see previous coverage), who has kindly offered TechCrunch UK &amp; Ireland readers 100 invitations. If you want to take [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Berlin Web 2 Expo I ran into Dominik Grolimund, CEO of peer-to-peer storage application Wuala (see previous coverage), who has kindly offered TechCrunch UK &amp; Ireland readers 100 invitations. If you want to take [...]</p>
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		<title>By: 1,000 Invites For P2P Storage App Wuala</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2007/10/09/is-wuala-a-bittorrent-20/comment-page-1/#comment-47031</link>
		<dc:creator>1,000 Invites For P2P Storage App Wuala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] who is the CEO of a peer-to-peer storage application called Wuala. TechCrunch UK covered it here. The first 1,000 TechCrunch readers [...]</description>
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		<title>By: gps</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2007/10/09/is-wuala-a-bittorrent-20/comment-page-1/#comment-46358</link>
		<dc:creator>gps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;even if Wuala doesn’t succeed, I’m sure the concept will be re-invented by others.&quot;

Heh.  Yep, thats true.  Wuala is already a reinvention.  Look up Mojo Nation from the year 2000 and notice its descendants such as the current allmydata.com sponsored Tahoe at http://allmydata.org/trac/tahoe/.  Both are open source.

Also, Bram Cohen worked on Mojo Nation before leaving when the money dried up to go create BitTorrent which solved an actual problem based on internet users needs.

-gps</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;even if Wuala doesn’t succeed, I’m sure the concept will be re-invented by others.&#8221;</p>
<p>Heh.  Yep, thats true.  Wuala is already a reinvention.  Look up Mojo Nation from the year 2000 and notice its descendants such as the current allmydata.com sponsored Tahoe at <a href="http://allmydata.org/trac/tahoe/" rel="nofollow">http://allmydata.org/trac/tahoe/</a>.  Both are open source.</p>
<p>Also, Bram Cohen worked on Mojo Nation before leaving when the money dried up to go create BitTorrent which solved an actual problem based on internet users needs.</p>
<p>-gps</p>
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		<title>By: Enrique</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2007/10/09/is-wuala-a-bittorrent-20/comment-page-1/#comment-46061</link>
		<dc:creator>Enrique</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 07:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally find this service an amazing idea, privacy on internet is a huge issue and one which few really have a solution for. Let&#039;s say if I make a search with certain keywords on Google, the data is not only held at Google but at my ISP as well. Now it may not seems like a problem if you are searching for &quot;hair products&quot; but what if the topic gets controversial like &quot;source of osama latest videos&quot; and your intention is purely for research purposes?
   Innovations like proxy servers failed due to their lack of distribution models and solutions like Tor are way too slow. The above two are just for browsing and we can&#039;t seems to find a solution to it. With wuala you are taking about file transfer. Though it is a bit freaky to say that I store someone else&#039;s files on my computer and mine may be saved somewhere else, though they are encrypted but it still doesn&#039;t sound right. Let see how wuala takes care of this problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally find this service an amazing idea, privacy on internet is a huge issue and one which few really have a solution for. Let&#8217;s say if I make a search with certain keywords on Google, the data is not only held at Google but at my ISP as well. Now it may not seems like a problem if you are searching for &#8220;hair products&#8221; but what if the topic gets controversial like &#8220;source of osama latest videos&#8221; and your intention is purely for research purposes?<br />
   Innovations like proxy servers failed due to their lack of distribution models and solutions like Tor are way too slow. The above two are just for browsing and we can&#8217;t seems to find a solution to it. With wuala you are taking about file transfer. Though it is a bit freaky to say that I store someone else&#8217;s files on my computer and mine may be saved somewhere else, though they are encrypted but it still doesn&#8217;t sound right. Let see how wuala takes care of this problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Wua.la: Distributed data storage for the social graph &#124; Fresh Web 2.0 News</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2007/10/09/is-wuala-a-bittorrent-20/comment-page-1/#comment-44281</link>
		<dc:creator>Wua.la: Distributed data storage for the social graph &#124; Fresh Web 2.0 News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 08:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to analyse it correct away, and Wua.la has since been mentioned on Gigaom as substantially as Techcrunch UK. Oh well. Maybe I crapper go for the analyse with the most sound text [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dominik Grolimund</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2007/10/09/is-wuala-a-bittorrent-20/comment-page-1/#comment-43585</link>
		<dc:creator>Dominik Grolimund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mike,

Thanks for your critical review. I&#039;d like to take the chance to comment on it. As with almost any technology, there is potential for misuse (see for instance Scott Berkun&#039;s ethics chapter in &quot;The Myth of Innovations&quot;), and as the inventor or engineer you need to be aware of that. In our case, we&#039;ve discussed a lot about potential misuse and we try to do whatever we can to fight against it. There are several reasons why we believe Wuala doesn&#039;t leverage misuse in another dimension than existing technology. If friends want to exchange encrypted illegal or bad files, they can do so already today, and this is clearly not the problem for the music and film industry. If someone publishes a bad file, then everybody can see it, and if we detect it either by ourselves or if someone someone reports it to us, we will take it down immediately (users can report inappropriate files and you can also report abuse directly on our website http://wua.la/en/abuse.html). When it comes to private groups, we have the possibility to limit the number of people in any private group, so in effect taking away the potential leverage of sharing files encryptedly with &quot;lots of strangers&quot;. What is also important is that users in Wuala are not as anonymous as in other networks. A file is clearly associated with the person who uploaded it. So if a illegal/bad file is detected, we can take it down and also call the user to account if necessary.

I know that I probably didn&#039;t cover all the issues you brought up. I just wanted to give you a quick response to the most important points I saw. Good use of Wuala clearly dominates over potential misuse and if you look closer at Wuala, you will realize that it doesn&#039;t really leverage misuse, but even takes away lots of the possibilities that evildoers have on anonymous networks.

Having said that, I&#039;d like to emphasize two points. First, we think privacy is a very important issue and believe that everyone should have a place where he or she can store files securely so that no one, not even the service provider, can see them. In today&#039;s internet services, privacy is at stake with big corporations having access to all your data -- it needs a technology such as Wuala where your files are encrypted on your computer and your password never leaves your computer. Second, with Wuala, we want to build and foster a platform for legal content. Because Wuala democratizes online storage and distribution, in the sense that it gives free storage to everyone and allows people to store their own files in any size and quality they like, this is for instance great for independent artists who don&#039;t have the money to distribute their content elsewhere. Also, your wedding example was a good one: Never before was it easier for a group of people to share photos, videos, music, or even documents of an event. They simply drag their files into Wuala, post it to the wedding group, and then every member of that group can see and access the files. It&#039;s that simple.

Best,
Dominik

@Dan Field: What you say about the password is correct (users are encouraged to choose a strong password).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mike,</p>
<p>Thanks for your critical review. I&#8217;d like to take the chance to comment on it. As with almost any technology, there is potential for misuse (see for instance Scott Berkun&#8217;s ethics chapter in &#8220;The Myth of Innovations&#8221;), and as the inventor or engineer you need to be aware of that. In our case, we&#8217;ve discussed a lot about potential misuse and we try to do whatever we can to fight against it. There are several reasons why we believe Wuala doesn&#8217;t leverage misuse in another dimension than existing technology. If friends want to exchange encrypted illegal or bad files, they can do so already today, and this is clearly not the problem for the music and film industry. If someone publishes a bad file, then everybody can see it, and if we detect it either by ourselves or if someone someone reports it to us, we will take it down immediately (users can report inappropriate files and you can also report abuse directly on our website <a href="http://wua.la/en/abuse.html)" rel="nofollow">http://wua.la/en/abuse.html)</a>. When it comes to private groups, we have the possibility to limit the number of people in any private group, so in effect taking away the potential leverage of sharing files encryptedly with &#8220;lots of strangers&#8221;. What is also important is that users in Wuala are not as anonymous as in other networks. A file is clearly associated with the person who uploaded it. So if a illegal/bad file is detected, we can take it down and also call the user to account if necessary.</p>
<p>I know that I probably didn&#8217;t cover all the issues you brought up. I just wanted to give you a quick response to the most important points I saw. Good use of Wuala clearly dominates over potential misuse and if you look closer at Wuala, you will realize that it doesn&#8217;t really leverage misuse, but even takes away lots of the possibilities that evildoers have on anonymous networks.</p>
<p>Having said that, I&#8217;d like to emphasize two points. First, we think privacy is a very important issue and believe that everyone should have a place where he or she can store files securely so that no one, not even the service provider, can see them. In today&#8217;s internet services, privacy is at stake with big corporations having access to all your data &#8212; it needs a technology such as Wuala where your files are encrypted on your computer and your password never leaves your computer. Second, with Wuala, we want to build and foster a platform for legal content. Because Wuala democratizes online storage and distribution, in the sense that it gives free storage to everyone and allows people to store their own files in any size and quality they like, this is for instance great for independent artists who don&#8217;t have the money to distribute their content elsewhere. Also, your wedding example was a good one: Never before was it easier for a group of people to share photos, videos, music, or even documents of an event. They simply drag their files into Wuala, post it to the wedding group, and then every member of that group can see and access the files. It&#8217;s that simple.</p>
<p>Best,<br />
Dominik</p>
<p>@Dan Field: What you say about the password is correct (users are encouraged to choose a strong password).</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Field (ClearMyMail)</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2007/10/09/is-wuala-a-bittorrent-20/comment-page-1/#comment-43510</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Field (ClearMyMail)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like a solution to a problem that doesn&#039;t exist...

Re: NSA could crack the encryption,

Surely the encryption is only as good as the users password?  And as most people aren&#039;t going to use an incredibly long and difficult to guess password it could be cracked using brute force methods?

I&#039;m with you on this one too, Mike.  I certainly wouldn&#039;t want my storage being used to store anything dodgy.  

It&#039;s a very clever idea and I&#039;m sure it will work really well but I can&#039;t think of anything &#039;legal&#039; that would require such a service, which then leads to the question - where&#039;s the income and what&#039;s the business model?


Happy to hear of any legit reasons to use such a service though!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like a solution to a problem that doesn&#8217;t exist&#8230;</p>
<p>Re: NSA could crack the encryption,</p>
<p>Surely the encryption is only as good as the users password?  And as most people aren&#8217;t going to use an incredibly long and difficult to guess password it could be cracked using brute force methods?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m with you on this one too, Mike.  I certainly wouldn&#8217;t want my storage being used to store anything dodgy.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a very clever idea and I&#8217;m sure it will work really well but I can&#8217;t think of anything &#8216;legal&#8217; that would require such a service, which then leads to the question &#8211; where&#8217;s the income and what&#8217;s the business model?</p>
<p>Happy to hear of any legit reasons to use such a service though!</p>
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