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	<title>Comments on: Dear VCs: Look at the idea, not the postcode</title>
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		<title>By: Peter Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 12:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wanted to chime in that it&#039;s totally possible to do it from the &quot;middle of nowhere&quot;. I live in the middle of nowhere myself (deepest Lincolnshire) and two years ago built a startup and got funding from the US. A few months ago we sold, cashed out and the business is now with some happy new owners. If I can do it from the middle of Lincolnshire, location definitely isn&#039;t a killer!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted to chime in that it&#8217;s totally possible to do it from the &#8220;middle of nowhere&#8221;. I live in the middle of nowhere myself (deepest Lincolnshire) and two years ago built a startup and got funding from the US. A few months ago we sold, cashed out and the business is now with some happy new owners. If I can do it from the middle of Lincolnshire, location definitely isn&#8217;t a killer!</p>
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		<title>By: &#160; Seasonal VC Disorder&#160;by&#160;Kitchen 2.0</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#160; Seasonal VC Disorder&#160;by&#160;Kitchen 2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 19:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] argument regarding both VC and whether to go to Silicon Valley. Mike Butcher&#8217;s piece &#8216;Dear VC&#8217;s: look at the idea not the postcode&#8217; and Ryan Carson&#8217;s &#8216;Response to Paul Graham&#8216; are this winters [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] argument regarding both VC and whether to go to Silicon Valley. Mike Butcher&#8217;s piece &#8216;Dear VC&#8217;s: look at the idea not the postcode&#8217; and Ryan Carson&#8217;s &#8216;Response to Paul Graham&#8216; are this winters [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rich9 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; location, locations</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich9 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; location, locations</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] series on how to plan your career- &#8216;go where the action is&#8217;. Mike Butcher also joins the debate lambasting those VCs who are blinkered when it comes to funding businesses that don&#8217;t cut the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] series on how to plan your career- &#8216;go where the action is&#8217;. Mike Butcher also joins the debate lambasting those VCs who are blinkered when it comes to funding businesses that don&#8217;t cut the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Geoffrey McCaleb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoffrey McCaleb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of points to toss in as well. 

I too am an outsider to the VC world, but while it may be a bit daunting I&#039;ve had fairly good luck with phoning people and getting meetings. Sure there are a few VC&#039;s out there that want nothing but a bulletproof business plan with sound metrics/financials, but on the same side I&#039;ve gotten meetings based on nothing more than a 2 minute phone chat and/or a 10 slide powerpoint. 

I echo Nick&#039;s comments on building up a list of good VC blogs, if nothing else you can see what gets funded and what people are talking about. Outside of that, you do have to get yourself out there and network like your life depends on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of points to toss in as well. </p>
<p>I too am an outsider to the VC world, but while it may be a bit daunting I&#8217;ve had fairly good luck with phoning people and getting meetings. Sure there are a few VC&#8217;s out there that want nothing but a bulletproof business plan with sound metrics/financials, but on the same side I&#8217;ve gotten meetings based on nothing more than a 2 minute phone chat and/or a 10 slide powerpoint. </p>
<p>I echo Nick&#8217;s comments on building up a list of good VC blogs, if nothing else you can see what gets funded and what people are talking about. Outside of that, you do have to get yourself out there and network like your life depends on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kosso</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kosso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 10:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said Mike!

I&#039;m a Brit working from home for the past year and a half building podcast.com with the rest of the very small company (4) in Boston, USA. I&#039;ve been over there for many a VC meeting/pitch and ther a feeling that everyone needs to be in Silicon Valley. The money seems greener and the ideas better.

Absolute rubbish. I&#039;m building the future of information aggregation and organisation (note spelling - no &#039;z&#039; heh) and the guys in Silly Con Valley don&#039;t even realise it yet ;) 

Oh but they will... they will.  Mu hu hu harr. etc.. (web 3.0)

I decided to work in the web about 12 years ago, realising that by do so it meant I could work for ANYONE, ANYWHERE.

ps: You need to update the copyright date in your template - it still says 2006  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Mike!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a Brit working from home for the past year and a half building podcast.com with the rest of the very small company (4) in Boston, USA. I&#8217;ve been over there for many a VC meeting/pitch and ther a feeling that everyone needs to be in Silicon Valley. The money seems greener and the ideas better.</p>
<p>Absolute rubbish. I&#8217;m building the future of information aggregation and organisation (note spelling &#8211; no &#8216;z&#8217; heh) and the guys in Silly Con Valley don&#8217;t even realise it yet <img src='http://eu.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Oh but they will&#8230; they will.  Mu hu hu harr. etc.. (web 3.0)</p>
<p>I decided to work in the web about 12 years ago, realising that by do so it meant I could work for ANYONE, ANYWHERE.</p>
<p>ps: You need to update the copyright date in your template &#8211; it still says 2006  <img src='http://eu.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Gareth Rushgrove</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gareth Rushgrove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 16:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a serial event attendee and organiser of both the Refresh Newcastle and OpenCoffee Newcastle events I agree it&#039;s alot to do with your network.

I stumbled upon on a Mashup event in London a few weeks ago and what struck me was the level of interest and the volume of attendees from finance or business.

The vast majority of small tech companies in the North East are service based, so networking events are generally orientated around selling or promoting services. Mashup had a completely different spin - were the product or idea was king. I&#039;m not sure whether this is the same for other outlying regions?

Having said that their are a number of things going on &#039;up north&#039; to try and change this, so we&#039;ll have to see how the next few years play out I reckon. I know of incubator/accelerator/funding setups getting going in the North West, The North East and as mentioned in West Yorkshire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a serial event attendee and organiser of both the Refresh Newcastle and OpenCoffee Newcastle events I agree it&#8217;s alot to do with your network.</p>
<p>I stumbled upon on a Mashup event in London a few weeks ago and what struck me was the level of interest and the volume of attendees from finance or business.</p>
<p>The vast majority of small tech companies in the North East are service based, so networking events are generally orientated around selling or promoting services. Mashup had a completely different spin &#8211; were the product or idea was king. I&#8217;m not sure whether this is the same for other outlying regions?</p>
<p>Having said that their are a number of things going on &#8216;up north&#8217; to try and change this, so we&#8217;ll have to see how the next few years play out I reckon. I know of incubator/accelerator/funding setups getting going in the North West, The North East and as mentioned in West Yorkshire.</p>
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		<title>By: paul fisher</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 12:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys, there is a very similar discussion happenng over on Ryan Carson&#039;s blog.  Check it out.
http://www.carsonified.com/fowa/response-to-paul-graham-on-startup-hubs
ps.  If anyone wants to catch up, please mail me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys, there is a very similar discussion happenng over on Ryan Carson&#8217;s blog.  Check it out.<br />
<a href="http://www.carsonified.com/fowa/response-to-paul-graham-on-startup-hubs" rel="nofollow">http://www.carsonified.com/fowa/response-to-paul-graham-on-startup-hubs</a><br />
ps.  If anyone wants to catch up, please mail me.</p>
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		<title>By: Flemming</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flemming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 11:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry if I now become the spoiler of the romantic dream that all places are equally good for setting up a business.

It just happens that your chances of success may be slightly higher when you are based close to or in a relevant industry cluster. Maybe the VCs know this?

Check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industry_cluster</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry if I now become the spoiler of the romantic dream that all places are equally good for setting up a business.</p>
<p>It just happens that your chances of success may be slightly higher when you are based close to or in a relevant industry cluster. Maybe the VCs know this?</p>
<p>Check <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industry_cluster" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industry_cluster</a></p>
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		<title>By: steven Dotsch</title>
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		<dc:creator>steven Dotsch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 10:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mike

Thank you for raising this important issue. 

May I propose you make this entrepreneur aware of WirelessMatch, subject to his/her activities relate to wireless, mobile internet, online media and mobile telecoms activities requiring funding up to £2.5m 

Most of our investors are sector/technology orientated, rather than location-based.

Best regards

Steven Dotsch
Managing director
WirelessMatch Ltd - UK&#039;s Wireless Funding Network
URL: www.WirelessMatch.co.uk
Em: steven@WirelessMatch.co.uk
Tel: 020 8374 8718</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mike</p>
<p>Thank you for raising this important issue. </p>
<p>May I propose you make this entrepreneur aware of WirelessMatch, subject to his/her activities relate to wireless, mobile internet, online media and mobile telecoms activities requiring funding up to £2.5m </p>
<p>Most of our investors are sector/technology orientated, rather than location-based.</p>
<p>Best regards</p>
<p>Steven Dotsch<br />
Managing director<br />
WirelessMatch Ltd &#8211; UK&#8217;s Wireless Funding Network<br />
URL: <a href="http://www.WirelessMatch.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.WirelessMatch.co.uk</a><br />
Em: <a href="mailto:steven@WirelessMatch.co.uk">steven@WirelessMatch.co.uk</a><br />
Tel: 020 8374 8718</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Klein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin Klein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 06:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an interesting post, Mike.
I very much agree with Paul Fiisher&#039;s post and pleased to see Ivan Pope acknowleding that getttiing to see VCs is not as difficult as some would suggest.
I&#039;d recommend entrepreneurs from outside London to take a look at the Vc&#039;s websites, check out the location of their investments. I think you&#039;ll see a wide geographical spread. 
From a TAG point of view, we focus on backing people, teams and we work closely with them. There are only 2 of us and we have a lot of investments, therefore we are either backing people we know really well (who can be far away) or else people  with whom we can easily and efficiently work.
http://the-accelerator.blogspot.com/

OpenCoffee [http://www.opencoffeeclub.org/] has been a huge global success with &#039;clubs&#039; in over 80 cities and towns around the world. This simple idea - which costs nothing to run - is enabling entrepreneurs in some very small communities to meet and network very efficietly and easily. 

Seedcamp [www.seedcamp.com] too demostrates how much supprt there is for tech entrpreneurship outside of London. 268 applications from 40 countries!
And the finalists hailed from all over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an interesting post, Mike.<br />
I very much agree with Paul Fiisher&#8217;s post and pleased to see Ivan Pope acknowleding that getttiing to see VCs is not as difficult as some would suggest.<br />
I&#8217;d recommend entrepreneurs from outside London to take a look at the Vc&#8217;s websites, check out the location of their investments. I think you&#8217;ll see a wide geographical spread.<br />
From a TAG point of view, we focus on backing people, teams and we work closely with them. There are only 2 of us and we have a lot of investments, therefore we are either backing people we know really well (who can be far away) or else people  with whom we can easily and efficiently work.<br />
<a href="http://the-accelerator.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://the-accelerator.blogspot.com/</a></p>
<p>OpenCoffee [http://www.opencoffeeclub.org/] has been a huge global success with &#8216;clubs&#8217; in over 80 cities and towns around the world. This simple idea &#8211; which costs nothing to run &#8211; is enabling entrepreneurs in some very small communities to meet and network very efficietly and easily. </p>
<p>Seedcamp [www.seedcamp.com] too demostrates how much supprt there is for tech entrpreneurship outside of London. 268 applications from 40 countries!<br />
And the finalists hailed from all over.</p>
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		<title>By: jas</title>
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		<dc:creator>jas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 22:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you own a property take the plunge and remortgage it,if not credit cards,personal loans,you could easily raise 20-30k to get your idea of the ground and once you are up and running and can show the idea works then the v.c&#039;s will be a lot more interested in throwing cash at you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you own a property take the plunge and remortgage it,if not credit cards,personal loans,you could easily raise 20-30k to get your idea of the ground and once you are up and running and can show the idea works then the v.c&#8217;s will be a lot more interested in throwing cash at you.</p>
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		<title>By: Oron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 22:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@The Sender - Bootstrap, Bag borrow or steal and Get some angels in your local area, start getting some traction and validate your idea before you go to the VCs. If you find the door doesn&#039;t open, look for a window, don&#039;t go smashing into the same door again.

London is full of people with ideas and VCs with money to spend, I know I&#039;m here :-) , but these two groups usually don&#039;t meet unless it&#039;s open coffee (do you have it where you are, if not - start one ! http://www.opencoffeeclub.org). VCs will want to see some sort of traction and validation before they go in. It looks to me like a VC is not what you need right now anyway. If you have good progress in validating your plan, you will hopefully be able to pick and choose your VC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@The Sender &#8211; Bootstrap, Bag borrow or steal and Get some angels in your local area, start getting some traction and validate your idea before you go to the VCs. If you find the door doesn&#8217;t open, look for a window, don&#8217;t go smashing into the same door again.</p>
<p>London is full of people with ideas and VCs with money to spend, I know I&#8217;m here <img src='http://eu.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  , but these two groups usually don&#8217;t meet unless it&#8217;s open coffee (do you have it where you are, if not &#8211; start one ! <a href="http://www.opencoffeeclub.org)" rel="nofollow">http://www.opencoffeeclub.org)</a>. VCs will want to see some sort of traction and validation before they go in. It looks to me like a VC is not what you need right now anyway. If you have good progress in validating your plan, you will hopefully be able to pick and choose your VC.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Michel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Michel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 12:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Mike. Couldn&#039;t agree more. The location of the idea and the company should be immaterial. I remember thinking this in an almost militant way as Silicon Valley accelerated out of the post-2001 dotdoom years into the current frenzy of activity.

London seemed to take that much longer with the establishment taking much longer to recover from having its fingers burnt the first time around. It felt to me that if you weren&#039;t on the US West coast, you were out of the centre of the world.

At the last MediaTech event I attended, one of the VCs showed a slide comparing US and European dealflow. There was no competition, virtually all of the major successes came out of the US. Whilst I suspect this picture is changing - there are far wiser people on this subject - it&#039;s hard to be the gravity of the cities where the money men ply their trade. It&#039;s possible, but it requires more work.

Or...work harder, smarter and put a lot more effort into building and retaining connections. As some of the other commentors have already said, there&#039;s some good discipline enforced if the route to money is that bit harder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Mike. Couldn&#8217;t agree more. The location of the idea and the company should be immaterial. I remember thinking this in an almost militant way as Silicon Valley accelerated out of the post-2001 dotdoom years into the current frenzy of activity.</p>
<p>London seemed to take that much longer with the establishment taking much longer to recover from having its fingers burnt the first time around. It felt to me that if you weren&#8217;t on the US West coast, you were out of the centre of the world.</p>
<p>At the last MediaTech event I attended, one of the VCs showed a slide comparing US and European dealflow. There was no competition, virtually all of the major successes came out of the US. Whilst I suspect this picture is changing &#8211; there are far wiser people on this subject &#8211; it&#8217;s hard to be the gravity of the cities where the money men ply their trade. It&#8217;s possible, but it requires more work.</p>
<p>Or&#8230;work harder, smarter and put a lot more effort into building and retaining connections. As some of the other commentors have already said, there&#8217;s some good discipline enforced if the route to money is that bit harder.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Gare</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Gare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 11:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Paul, it&#039;s good to hear about the Falklands. As an ex-adviser to the Falkland Islands government and the person that proposed the Falkland Islands Internet Initiative a few years back, it&#039;s good to know that I can come to you in the confidence that you will talk with some of the companies I work with!

The Internet world is only a few 10s of mS big  (when its working) - smile and lol

Cheers

Chris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Paul, it&#8217;s good to hear about the Falklands. As an ex-adviser to the Falkland Islands government and the person that proposed the Falkland Islands Internet Initiative a few years back, it&#8217;s good to know that I can come to you in the confidence that you will talk with some of the companies I work with!</p>
<p>The Internet world is only a few 10s of mS big  (when its working) &#8211; smile and lol</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
<p>Chris</p>
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		<title>By: Arethuza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arethuza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 10:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Sometimes not being around VCs and not having access to funding may be a blessing in disguise&quot;

I would have to agree with that one. After a fairly dismal period pitching to a series of VCs for a company that would commercialise a pretty successful open source product I’m now much happier that I didn’t go down that route.

So rather than giving up I decided to write the product anyway – now I believe it is a much better state than it would have been had we got a lump of cash a while back and I spent my time talking to VCs rather than users. The extra time taken working on the product means that we are now hopefully in a really strong position technologically with a much more open strategy than would otherwise have been possible.

Of course, there is an element of “making the best of things” – but not having external investors can sometimes be an advantage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Sometimes not being around VCs and not having access to funding may be a blessing in disguise&#8221;</p>
<p>I would have to agree with that one. After a fairly dismal period pitching to a series of VCs for a company that would commercialise a pretty successful open source product I’m now much happier that I didn’t go down that route.</p>
<p>So rather than giving up I decided to write the product anyway – now I believe it is a much better state than it would have been had we got a lump of cash a while back and I spent my time talking to VCs rather than users. The extra time taken working on the product means that we are now hopefully in a really strong position technologically with a much more open strategy than would otherwise have been possible.</p>
<p>Of course, there is an element of “making the best of things” – but not having external investors can sometimes be an advantage.</p>
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		<title>By: You can help, so where is it? : AccMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>You can help, so where is it? : AccMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 07:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Mike Butcher&#8217;s post about the concentration of VC activity in London struck a chord with me and many others who are not based in the metropolis. Among other things, Mike says: But what really makes me boiling mad is that he is not getting a fair hearing from potential backers. Yes, maybe he is barking up the wrong tree and doesn’t need VC funding. Maybe he just needs a friendly push towards a different type of backer. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Mike Butcher&#8217;s post about the concentration of VC activity in London struck a chord with me and many others who are not based in the metropolis. Among other things, Mike says: But what really makes me boiling mad is that he is not getting a fair hearing from potential backers. Yes, maybe he is barking up the wrong tree and doesn’t need VC funding. Maybe he just needs a friendly push towards a different type of backer. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Howlett</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2007/10/12/dear-vcs-look-at-the-idea-not-the-postcode/comment-page-1/#comment-44100</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis Howlett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 07:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saul and Robin Klein did a great job with OpenCoffeeClub in London (through which we made a lot of useful contacts), something Manoj Ranaweera has tried to replicate in Manchester. Folk up north could do worse than give that support or, if there&#039;s enough demand, then create others that are more local. Just &#039;cos they&#039;re small doesn&#039;t mean they won&#039;t work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saul and Robin Klein did a great job with OpenCoffeeClub in London (through which we made a lot of useful contacts), something Manoj Ranaweera has tried to replicate in Manchester. Folk up north could do worse than give that support or, if there&#8217;s enough demand, then create others that are more local. Just &#8216;cos they&#8217;re small doesn&#8217;t mean they won&#8217;t work.</p>
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		<title>By: Shafqat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shafqat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 00:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes not being around VCs and not having access to funding may be a blessing in disguise. Bootstrapping, putting in that extra blood/sweat/tears, making that last dollar or euro or rupee go that extra bit further could be worth it. Of course, at some point we all need funding to take on the world, but in the meantime, we can always keep our head down and focus on the product, on being disciplined, and doing it because you still believe.

Thats my two centimes. Yes, I live in Geneva.
Shafqat
www.newscred.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes not being around VCs and not having access to funding may be a blessing in disguise. Bootstrapping, putting in that extra blood/sweat/tears, making that last dollar or euro or rupee go that extra bit further could be worth it. Of course, at some point we all need funding to take on the world, but in the meantime, we can always keep our head down and focus on the product, on being disciplined, and doing it because you still believe.</p>
<p>Thats my two centimes. Yes, I live in Geneva.<br />
Shafqat<br />
<a href="http://www.newscred.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.newscred.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gary Reid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 23:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m from that &#039;forgotten street in Glasgow&#039; ;) 

I think there is a lot to be said for being where it&#039;s happening. Not because VC&#039;s aren&#039;t interested in talking to you (which could be true but not my experience) but because it takes what Paul Walsh was saying - building connections - and that takes time.

If you&#039;re based up in the frozen north it takes even more time, I&#039;d love to get along to every tech event in London and if I lived in London I could take a few hours out and pop along. 

As it is I can either fly, which takes around 3 hours each way including connections or get the train, around 5 hours each way. Whichever I choose if it&#039;s a night event it means staying over.

So every meet-up takes a day or more and to build connections you need to be a regular which becomes very difficult.

My experience is that by not being in London it takes longer to build the right sort of network with the right sort of people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m from that &#8216;forgotten street in Glasgow&#8217; <img src='http://eu.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>I think there is a lot to be said for being where it&#8217;s happening. Not because VC&#8217;s aren&#8217;t interested in talking to you (which could be true but not my experience) but because it takes what Paul Walsh was saying &#8211; building connections &#8211; and that takes time.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re based up in the frozen north it takes even more time, I&#8217;d love to get along to every tech event in London and if I lived in London I could take a few hours out and pop along. </p>
<p>As it is I can either fly, which takes around 3 hours each way including connections or get the train, around 5 hours each way. Whichever I choose if it&#8217;s a night event it means staying over.</p>
<p>So every meet-up takes a day or more and to build connections you need to be a regular which becomes very difficult.</p>
<p>My experience is that by not being in London it takes longer to build the right sort of network with the right sort of people.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel, Fashionising.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel, Fashionising.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 22:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree with you wholeheartedly Mike! I&#039;m currently based in Melbourne, Australia and having looked over most the VC options have concluded that some of the best options (and perhaps only) are really international - there&#039;s a general lack of Australian VC interest in the Internet. Right now one of my best option appears to be returning to the UK and working from there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with you wholeheartedly Mike! I&#8217;m currently based in Melbourne, Australia and having looked over most the VC options have concluded that some of the best options (and perhaps only) are really international &#8211; there&#8217;s a general lack of Australian VC interest in the Internet. Right now one of my best option appears to be returning to the UK and working from there.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Walsh</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2007/10/12/dear-vcs-look-at-the-idea-not-the-postcode/comment-page-1/#comment-44028</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 22:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sender - you can build your network no matter where you are. A very good friend of mine runs a company in Birmingham. This company (Glaxstar) is responsible for building Mozilla&#039;s mainstream Firefox extensions for companies such as Google, Yahoo!, eBay and PayPal (oh and Segala ;)) 

It&#039;s about connecting with people around you. Get to know them, let them get to know you. It&#039;s not difficult, it&#039;s just time consuming. Start blogging if you&#039;re not going it already - this is a great way to get to know people outside your area. I wasn&#039;t taking a dig at you. I just think it&#039;s time people stop blaming VCs for everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sender &#8211; you can build your network no matter where you are. A very good friend of mine runs a company in Birmingham. This company (Glaxstar) is responsible for building Mozilla&#8217;s mainstream Firefox extensions for companies such as Google, Yahoo!, eBay and PayPal (oh and Segala <img src='http://eu.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> ) </p>
<p>It&#8217;s about connecting with people around you. Get to know them, let them get to know you. It&#8217;s not difficult, it&#8217;s just time consuming. Start blogging if you&#8217;re not going it already &#8211; this is a great way to get to know people outside your area. I wasn&#8217;t taking a dig at you. I just think it&#8217;s time people stop blaming VCs for everything.</p>
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		<title>By: Thierry Schellenbach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thierry Schellenbach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 21:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does any of you guys have any idea of VC firms in The Netherlands?
Im just curious.</description>
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Im just curious.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed French</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2007/10/12/dear-vcs-look-at-the-idea-not-the-postcode/comment-page-1/#comment-44018</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed French</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 21:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,
You&#039;ve really hit a nerve here! Well done.
As a VC based in the North of England I have loads of fun backing great tech companies from an early stage, but to be honest we&#039;ve seen very little of the large tech VC&#039;s &quot;up north&quot;. I think Pond&#039;s investment in Transitive Technologies 5/6 years ago (which looks like it&#039;s likely to pay back big-time) is the most recent &quot;large Series-A&quot; from one of the well known London specialists. We&#039;ve had more luck getting VC&#039;s from Germany and Ireland coming to see portfolio companies around Manchester than from London!
However, there are lots of other ways to raise money for tech startups.
One final point, this whole conversation is replicated in the US completely- if it ain&#039;t silicon valley it has a much lower chance of getting funded- they have identical debates about it too.
There&#039;s a standing invitation to Paul and his peers to come and have a beer in the North anytime!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,<br />
You&#8217;ve really hit a nerve here! Well done.<br />
As a VC based in the North of England I have loads of fun backing great tech companies from an early stage, but to be honest we&#8217;ve seen very little of the large tech VC&#8217;s &#8220;up north&#8221;. I think Pond&#8217;s investment in Transitive Technologies 5/6 years ago (which looks like it&#8217;s likely to pay back big-time) is the most recent &#8220;large Series-A&#8221; from one of the well known London specialists. We&#8217;ve had more luck getting VC&#8217;s from Germany and Ireland coming to see portfolio companies around Manchester than from London!<br />
However, there are lots of other ways to raise money for tech startups.<br />
One final point, this whole conversation is replicated in the US completely- if it ain&#8217;t silicon valley it has a much lower chance of getting funded- they have identical debates about it too.<br />
There&#8217;s a standing invitation to Paul and his peers to come and have a beer in the North anytime!</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Halstead</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2007/10/12/dear-vcs-look-at-the-idea-not-the-postcode/comment-page-1/#comment-44017</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Halstead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 21:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first thing I did 6 months ago (being a blogger) was to subscribe to about 20 VC blogs (alas mainly US based) but it started to give me an insight into how they think, what they look for and most importantly how to find/approach them. (it felt like I was stalking them.) (oh, and if anyone wants my OPML for VC blogs drop a comment back on my blog, or on here and I am sure Mike will forward it on.)

The second thing was to immerse myself in every online forum/chat/group that seemed to have any VC/Angel element, again to see how to plan out my final approach when it became necessary. 

Then two months ago I started attending local events, and this is certainly where I can sympathize with the writer of the email, that when it came down to it I really needed to start networking in central london (£40 worth of travel for each day I go in). I did find smaller networking events (business link has lots around the UK) but they run much less often and are in generally attended by far fewer VC&#039;s than you find in London.

So would I have got far if I had not put in all the planning/legwork? I don&#039;t think so, bottom line, even if you have local access to VC&#039;s it still does not mean they are going to listen unless you know what to say and how to get across what you are trying to sell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first thing I did 6 months ago (being a blogger) was to subscribe to about 20 VC blogs (alas mainly US based) but it started to give me an insight into how they think, what they look for and most importantly how to find/approach them. (it felt like I was stalking them.) (oh, and if anyone wants my OPML for VC blogs drop a comment back on my blog, or on here and I am sure Mike will forward it on.)</p>
<p>The second thing was to immerse myself in every online forum/chat/group that seemed to have any VC/Angel element, again to see how to plan out my final approach when it became necessary. </p>
<p>Then two months ago I started attending local events, and this is certainly where I can sympathize with the writer of the email, that when it came down to it I really needed to start networking in central london (£40 worth of travel for each day I go in). I did find smaller networking events (business link has lots around the UK) but they run much less often and are in generally attended by far fewer VC&#8217;s than you find in London.</p>
<p>So would I have got far if I had not put in all the planning/legwork? I don&#8217;t think so, bottom line, even if you have local access to VC&#8217;s it still does not mean they are going to listen unless you know what to say and how to get across what you are trying to sell.</p>
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		<title>By: jas</title>
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		<dc:creator>jas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 20:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Mr Sender you got no problem in meeting up with a V.C let&#039;s see MR Paul Fisher put hios money where his mouth is and arrange a meeting ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mr Sender you got no problem in meeting up with a V.C let&#8217;s see MR Paul Fisher put hios money where his mouth is and arrange a meeting <img src='http://eu.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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