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	<title>Comments on: Congrats to BIMA winners, now can we have a cool tech awards please?</title>
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		<title>By: şişme bebek</title>
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		<dc:creator>şişme bebek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it’s BIMA’s (the Association, not the Awards) responsibility to help startup freelance developers and agencies to understand how to grow, secure grants, raise their profile etc</description>
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		<title>By: Europe gets its own Crunchies</title>
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		<dc:creator>Europe gets its own Crunchies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 12:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] editor of Techcrunch Europe in the last year I have attended many events across the continent. Last year there were even a few [...]</description>
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		<title>By: StardotGarf</title>
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		<dc:creator>StardotGarf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 21:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GT weren&#039;t the only agency to win 3 BIMAs last week...

Gareth, Stardotstar (winners of 3 BIMAs last week)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GT weren&#8217;t the only agency to win 3 BIMAs last week&#8230;</p>
<p>Gareth, Stardotstar (winners of 3 BIMAs last week)</p>
<p> <img src='http://eu.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Paul Walsh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 23:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Gareth that&#039;s very true. On an entirely separate note... I think it&#039;s BIMA&#039;s (the Association, not the Awards) responsibility to help startup freelance developers and agencies to understand how to grow, secure grants, raise their profile etc. This is something that hasn&#039;t been tackled before, so it won&#039;t happen just yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gareth that&#8217;s very true. On an entirely separate note&#8230; I think it&#8217;s BIMA&#8217;s (the Association, not the Awards) responsibility to help startup freelance developers and agencies to understand how to grow, secure grants, raise their profile etc. This is something that hasn&#8217;t been tackled before, so it won&#8217;t happen just yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Gareth Rushgrove</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gareth Rushgrove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 14:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, sorry, not that the companies wouldn&#039;t want to be associated with the BIMAs (which looked pretty cool as you say for their target audience), but that their isn&#039;t always that much cross over in interest between agencies and start ups.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, sorry, not that the companies wouldn&#8217;t want to be associated with the BIMAs (which looked pretty cool as you say for their target audience), but that their isn&#8217;t always that much cross over in interest between agencies and start ups.</p>
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		<title>By: Deirdre Molloy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deirdre Molloy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 00:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS. Jon Bains paid me to keep schtum about last year (okay he didn&#039;t but he bloody should)  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS. Jon Bains paid me to keep schtum about last year (okay he didn&#8217;t but he bloody should)  <img src='http://eu.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Deirdre Molloy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deirdre Molloy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 00:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, Mike, UK Webbys outing didn&#039;t cut the mustard last year huh? Fair dos. Hopefully we&#039;re all listening and learning (disclosure - I&#039;ve helped with this year&#039;s and last year&#039;s UK Webbys do).

See you for second lashings - sorry, helpings - Monday night then? :-)

BTW, are you embellishing a tad? I don&#039;t remember anything being &quot;beamed in&quot; although we were all a bit wobbly rather quickly due to continental-strength hospitality. I&#039;ll say no more...

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, Mike, UK Webbys outing didn&#8217;t cut the mustard last year huh? Fair dos. Hopefully we&#8217;re all listening and learning (disclosure &#8211; I&#8217;ve helped with this year&#8217;s and last year&#8217;s UK Webbys do).</p>
<p>See you for second lashings &#8211; sorry, helpings &#8211; Monday night then? <img src='http://eu.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>BTW, are you embellishing a tad? I don&#8217;t remember anything being &#8220;beamed in&#8221; although we were all a bit wobbly rather quickly due to continental-strength hospitality. I&#8217;ll say no more&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Walsh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jem - I didn&#039;t assume for a second, that sour grapes were involved. I could only smell the aroma coming from my favourite bottle of wine :)

Gareth, I&#039;m not sure why a company specifically &#039;wouldn&#039;t want to be associated with the BIMAs&#039;, but I guess that&#039;s not important as it&#039;s not everyone&#039;s bag I&#039;m sure. You should never try to appeal to everyone all of the time.

I agree totally that something else is needed for the &#039;new tech&#039; industry. When I offered by help, I didn&#039;t mean from a BIMA perspective - perhaps I didn&#039;t make that clear enough :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jem &#8211; I didn&#8217;t assume for a second, that sour grapes were involved. I could only smell the aroma coming from my favourite bottle of wine <img src='http://eu.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Gareth, I&#8217;m not sure why a company specifically &#8216;wouldn&#8217;t want to be associated with the BIMAs&#8217;, but I guess that&#8217;s not important as it&#8217;s not everyone&#8217;s bag I&#8217;m sure. You should never try to appeal to everyone all of the time.</p>
<p>I agree totally that something else is needed for the &#8216;new tech&#8217; industry. When I offered by help, I didn&#8217;t mean from a BIMA perspective &#8211; perhaps I didn&#8217;t make that clear enough <img src='http://eu.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Martin Owen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have had to judge a number of awards. One of the most interesting was a set of awards from the Welsh Assembly Government for Welsh technology firms accross a range of categories (health, entertainment, leisure, tourism, education etc) that allowed agencies to compete with social media developers etc.

The BETT awards are for quality tech in the education marketplace and have had quite diverse awardees like MediaStage (see www.imed.co.uk) and RadioWaves - a great UK application for social digital radio and Dbass (see www.synergy.tv). Notably none of the above are London based.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have had to judge a number of awards. One of the most interesting was a set of awards from the Welsh Assembly Government for Welsh technology firms accross a range of categories (health, entertainment, leisure, tourism, education etc) that allowed agencies to compete with social media developers etc.</p>
<p>The BETT awards are for quality tech in the education marketplace and have had quite diverse awardees like MediaStage (see <a href="http://www.imed.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.imed.co.uk</a>) and RadioWaves &#8211; a great UK application for social digital radio and Dbass (see <a href="http://www.synergy.tv" rel="nofollow">http://www.synergy.tv</a>). Notably none of the above are London based.</p>
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		<title>By: Gareth Rushgrove</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gareth Rushgrove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In answer to Mike&#039;s question - the Crunchies, or something similar, for the UK would be a great idea. Especially if it really was for the UK, not just for London.

For but one reason I think I&#039;ll quote Paul Walsh in the comments above: 

&quot;Just about every agency knows about the BIMAs&quot;

Companies like LastFM and Moo or organisations like The Open Rights Group and OpenStreetMap aren&#039;t agencies - and sometimes don&#039;t want to be associated with them in the first place. That&#039;s not a negative for the BIMAs, who have their audience, but a pretty good reason why something else would be a good thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In answer to Mike&#8217;s question &#8211; the Crunchies, or something similar, for the UK would be a great idea. Especially if it really was for the UK, not just for London.</p>
<p>For but one reason I think I&#8217;ll quote Paul Walsh in the comments above: </p>
<p>&#8220;Just about every agency knows about the BIMAs&#8221;</p>
<p>Companies like LastFM and Moo or organisations like The Open Rights Group and OpenStreetMap aren&#8217;t agencies &#8211; and sometimes don&#8217;t want to be associated with them in the first place. That&#8217;s not a negative for the BIMAs, who have their audience, but a pretty good reason why something else would be a good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Jem Stone (BBC)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jem Stone (BBC)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m sure they were worthy winners, its a great product and i didn&#039;t mean to imply that iPlayer *should* have one. I know that other issues contributed to them winning the awards.. I was just responding to your comment above that C4 were &quot;the *first*, paving the way for others to realise the potential of delivering content over the Internet. &quot; C4 capitalised on perhaps the delay of others in the market to launch quickly but i&#039;m not so sure they &quot;paved the way&quot;. That said however i put this its gonna look like sour grapes so perhaps i&#039;ll better shut up...

Hope it was good a night. Kudos to you and your team(s) to support the industry in this way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m sure they were worthy winners, its a great product and i didn&#8217;t mean to imply that iPlayer *should* have one. I know that other issues contributed to them winning the awards.. I was just responding to your comment above that C4 were &#8220;the *first*, paving the way for others to realise the potential of delivering content over the Internet. &#8221; C4 capitalised on perhaps the delay of others in the market to launch quickly but i&#8217;m not so sure they &#8220;paved the way&#8221;. That said however i put this its gonna look like sour grapes so perhaps i&#8217;ll better shut up&#8230;</p>
<p>Hope it was good a night. Kudos to you and your team(s) to support the industry in this way.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Walsh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jem - without getting into the &#039;who was first&#039; debate as there were lots of reasons they won - including its simplicity and the fact that it worked, we need to remember that Awards are given to the best of those who &#039;apply&#039;. So, unless you submit an entry, you&#039;re not going to win any award. We had just over 300 submissions so not a bad number.

Just about every agency knows about the BIMAs so it&#039;s not as if they don&#039;t represent the best of breed in creativity.

BTW, Jonathan Kingsbury was a guest on my table.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jem &#8211; without getting into the &#8216;who was first&#8217; debate as there were lots of reasons they won &#8211; including its simplicity and the fact that it worked, we need to remember that Awards are given to the best of those who &#8216;apply&#8217;. So, unless you submit an entry, you&#8217;re not going to win any award. We had just over 300 submissions so not a bad number.</p>
<p>Just about every agency knows about the BIMAs so it&#8217;s not as if they don&#8217;t represent the best of breed in creativity.</p>
<p>BTW, Jonathan Kingsbury was a guest on my table.</p>
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		<title>By: Jem Stone (BBC)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jem Stone (BBC)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>C4 ? the *first* . really...Sky Anytime launched before 40D (when it was branded Sky broadband) and although 40D was launched before the BBC&#039;s iPlayer, did it really &quot;pave the way&quot; . C4 tactically made its move using the Kontiki/WMP stack already prototyped/used by Sky/BBC (and the rights framework which all the public service broadcasters had contributed to changing) to get it out of the door whilst the BBC product was delayed. 40D is impressive stuff, well marketed , looks good and is easy to use but the first ???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C4 ? the *first* . really&#8230;Sky Anytime launched before 40D (when it was branded Sky broadband) and although 40D was launched before the BBC&#8217;s iPlayer, did it really &#8220;pave the way&#8221; . C4 tactically made its move using the Kontiki/WMP stack already prototyped/used by Sky/BBC (and the rights framework which all the public service broadcasters had contributed to changing) to get it out of the door whilst the BBC product was delayed. 40D is impressive stuff, well marketed , looks good and is easy to use but the first ???</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Walsh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My command of the English language is as good as ever :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My command of the English language is as good as ever <img src='http://eu.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Paul Walsh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your post Mike. The Grand Prix award was given to Channel 4 because they were the *first*, paving the way for others to realise the potential of delivering content over the Internet. 

I&#039;ve been to almost all of the awards you&#039;ve mentioned and have been known to judge and sponsor some. They&#039;re all good as you say. The BIMAs reflect &#039;creative&#039; excellence in the Interactive Industry which covers more than the Web and it&#039;s not dedicated to advertising, marketing etc. I look at it as the BIMAs as the awards which underpin all the rest, as BIMA is the Association that represents the industry which is being awarded.

As someone also in the middle of the startup/tech community, I agree with your observation about the need for such a Gala to award the excellence in that sector. I&#039;m up for talking about it in more detail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your post Mike. The Grand Prix award was given to Channel 4 because they were the *first*, paving the way for others to realise the potential of delivering content over the Internet. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been to almost all of the awards you&#8217;ve mentioned and have been known to judge and sponsor some. They&#8217;re all good as you say. The BIMAs reflect &#8216;creative&#8217; excellence in the Interactive Industry which covers more than the Web and it&#8217;s not dedicated to advertising, marketing etc. I look at it as the BIMAs as the awards which underpin all the rest, as BIMA is the Association that represents the industry which is being awarded.</p>
<p>As someone also in the middle of the startup/tech community, I agree with your observation about the need for such a Gala to award the excellence in that sector. I&#8217;m up for talking about it in more detail.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Theyers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Theyers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We definitely need a Crunchies over here, Mike.  Sort it out :)

(On the Kontiki thing, it seems to have gone unnoticed that the company doing all the work is UK based...  ioko in York - just round the corner from us, in fact - have been quietly tying up the market for the last couple of years and have been part of all the deployments you mention.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We definitely need a Crunchies over here, Mike.  Sort it out <img src='http://eu.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>(On the Kontiki thing, it seems to have gone unnoticed that the company doing all the work is UK based&#8230;  ioko in York &#8211; just round the corner from us, in fact &#8211; have been quietly tying up the market for the last couple of years and have been part of all the deployments you mention.)</p>
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