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	<title>Comments on: Betnow wins Balderton funds for text-to-bet. Addicts beware.</title>
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		<title>By: Ruadhan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ruadhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 11:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Betnow are not the only guys in text betting market BetTec
http://www.bet-tec.com/ do the same. In addition to text betting you can also sign up for results and  Horse-Alert Service.  All bets require a pin number which makes it more secure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Betnow are not the only guys in text betting market BetTec<br />
<a href="http://www.bet-tec.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.bet-tec.com/</a> do the same. In addition to text betting you can also sign up for results and  Horse-Alert Service.  All bets require a pin number which makes it more secure.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Glass</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Glass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>correction above - raised it&#039;s &quot;fund&quot;... not &quot;fun&quot; :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>correction above &#8211; raised it&#8217;s &#8220;fund&#8221;&#8230; not &#8220;fun&#8221; <img src='http://eu.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sean Glass</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Glass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Full Disclosure - I am in the UK having founded a business in the online gaming space....

One thing that Mike A doesn&#039;t consider is that Balderton is fulfilling it&#039;s fiduciary responsibility by investing in the businesseses it believes will produce the best return for its investors. If it raised it&#039;s fun without specifically excluding investments in sin businesses (i.e. it wasn&#039;t created as a socially responsible venture fund), then in fact, you could say that it is ethically wrong for the fund to not consider online gambling businesses. It is a large, fast growing market where recent UK legislation (the gambling act of 2005) has legalized online gambling and provided a great opportunity for new fast growing businesses.  Before the passing of the US unlawful internet gambling enforcement act (UIGEA), party gaming was growing their profits faster than google... If you were invested in a venture fund and hadn&#039;t wanted to restrict their investments, but let them invest in any legal business that would bring the best return, wouldn&#039;t you want them to invest in that business?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Full Disclosure &#8211; I am in the UK having founded a business in the online gaming space&#8230;.</p>
<p>One thing that Mike A doesn&#8217;t consider is that Balderton is fulfilling it&#8217;s fiduciary responsibility by investing in the businesseses it believes will produce the best return for its investors. If it raised it&#8217;s fun without specifically excluding investments in sin businesses (i.e. it wasn&#8217;t created as a socially responsible venture fund), then in fact, you could say that it is ethically wrong for the fund to not consider online gambling businesses. It is a large, fast growing market where recent UK legislation (the gambling act of 2005) has legalized online gambling and provided a great opportunity for new fast growing businesses.  Before the passing of the US unlawful internet gambling enforcement act (UIGEA), party gaming was growing their profits faster than google&#8230; If you were invested in a venture fund and hadn&#8217;t wanted to restrict their investments, but let them invest in any legal business that would bring the best return, wouldn&#8217;t you want them to invest in that business?</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 18:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i use betnow it has a £3 per bet limited unless you register a credit card etc and there is a daily limit of £20-30 so you shouldnt get too carried away. this service seems to be for casual punter and it makes saturday afternoons more fun. it iis easy to use and seems to be fairly responsable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i use betnow it has a £3 per bet limited unless you register a credit card etc and there is a daily limit of £20-30 so you shouldnt get too carried away. this service seems to be for casual punter and it makes saturday afternoons more fun. it iis easy to use and seems to be fairly responsable.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Butcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Butcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 15:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aw, shucks you got me. I forgot about the headline! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aw, shucks you got me. I forgot about the headline! <img src='http://eu.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Joe Charakupa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Charakupa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 14:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Joe, I agree that the title does infer this association. Which I think is wrong.

SMS is mostly going to be for casual gamers. Betnow are just making it easier for that market. Casuals are less willing to go to higher lengths to put  bet and thats what this technology will supposedly do.

I bet, maybe 4/5 times a year, and sometimes when I have a hunch, I can&#039;t be a**ed to go to a shop, or log in to service my account. Of course, you could point out that more casual gamers could be turned into addicts, but I think that type of customer is susceptible whatever the climate. 

Having said that (@Mike) your article doesn&#039;t really go on to assert the &quot;Beware&quot; part or MA&#039;s comments yesterday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Joe, I agree that the title does infer this association. Which I think is wrong.</p>
<p>SMS is mostly going to be for casual gamers. Betnow are just making it easier for that market. Casuals are less willing to go to higher lengths to put  bet and thats what this technology will supposedly do.</p>
<p>I bet, maybe 4/5 times a year, and sometimes when I have a hunch, I can&#8217;t be a**ed to go to a shop, or log in to service my account. Of course, you could point out that more casual gamers could be turned into addicts, but I think that type of customer is susceptible whatever the climate. </p>
<p>Having said that (@Mike) your article doesn&#8217;t really go on to assert the &#8220;Beware&#8221; part or MA&#8217;s comments yesterday.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Coughlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Coughlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 14:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,

Re-read the title to your post:  

&#039; Betnow wins Balderton funds for text-to-bet. Addicts beware.&#039;

Seems a pretty explicit association between mobile gambling and addiction to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>Re-read the title to your post:  </p>
<p>&#8216; Betnow wins Balderton funds for text-to-bet. Addicts beware.&#8217;</p>
<p>Seems a pretty explicit association between mobile gambling and addiction to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Butcher</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/01/03/betnow-wins-balderton-funds-for-text-to-bet-addicts-beware/comment-page-1/#comment-92895</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Butcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 14:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe - Incorrect, I did not repeat the view that mobile gambling leads directly to addiction, I merely pointed out that the research so far showing it&#039;s rapid take up have sparking concerns among other observers. To clarify, my view is that UK and European users are now so used to using their mobile for a range of services, gambling is just another service that will slot into their already heavy use of the mobile. Whether an individual is pre-disposed to addictive tendencies because the mobile is generally more accessible and close to hand depends... on the individual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe &#8211; Incorrect, I did not repeat the view that mobile gambling leads directly to addiction, I merely pointed out that the research so far showing it&#8217;s rapid take up have sparking concerns among other observers. To clarify, my view is that UK and European users are now so used to using their mobile for a range of services, gambling is just another service that will slot into their already heavy use of the mobile. Whether an individual is pre-disposed to addictive tendencies because the mobile is generally more accessible and close to hand depends&#8230; on the individual.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Coughlin</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/01/03/betnow-wins-balderton-funds-for-text-to-bet-addicts-beware/comment-page-1/#comment-92886</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Coughlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 12:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,

You&#039;ve repeated the mistake the other Mike made: which is a bizarre assumption that &#039;betting through your phone = addiction&#039;.

I don&#039;t completely understand Betnow&#039;s model - as Jessie pointed out, the mobile operators will be taking a big chunk of the premium rate SMS (around 40%) which simply can&#039;t work for sports betting that has an average gross margin of around 5-6%.

Also, the hardened sports bettor are much more likely to want to use an operators (Coral, Ladbrokes etc) own service anyway - it&#039;s more complete and they&#039;ve already gone through the registration process.

Interesting to see how it does though....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve repeated the mistake the other Mike made: which is a bizarre assumption that &#8216;betting through your phone = addiction&#8217;.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t completely understand Betnow&#8217;s model &#8211; as Jessie pointed out, the mobile operators will be taking a big chunk of the premium rate SMS (around 40%) which simply can&#8217;t work for sports betting that has an average gross margin of around 5-6%.</p>
<p>Also, the hardened sports bettor are much more likely to want to use an operators (Coral, Ladbrokes etc) own service anyway &#8211; it&#8217;s more complete and they&#8217;ve already gone through the registration process.</p>
<p>Interesting to see how it does though&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Coughlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Coughlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 12:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,

You&#039;ve repeated the mistake the other Mike made: which is a bizarre assumption that &#039;betting through your phone = addiction&#039;.

I don&#039;t completely understand Betnow&#039;s model - as Jessie pointed out, the mobile operators will be taking a big chunk of the premium rate SMS (around 40%) which simply can&#039;t work for sports betting that has an average gross margin of around 5-6%.

Also, the hardened sports bettor are much more likely to want to use an operators (Coral, Ladbrokes etc) own service anyway - it&#039;s more complete and they&#039;ve already gone through the registration process.

Interesting to see how it does though....

Joe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve repeated the mistake the other Mike made: which is a bizarre assumption that &#8216;betting through your phone = addiction&#8217;.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t completely understand Betnow&#8217;s model &#8211; as Jessie pointed out, the mobile operators will be taking a big chunk of the premium rate SMS (around 40%) which simply can&#8217;t work for sports betting that has an average gross margin of around 5-6%.</p>
<p>Also, the hardened sports bettor are much more likely to want to use an operators (Coral, Ladbrokes etc) own service anyway &#8211; it&#8217;s more complete and they&#8217;ve already gone through the registration process.</p>
<p>Interesting to see how it does though&#8230;.</p>
<p>Joe</p>
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		<title>By: Jessie Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessie Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 23:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Currently the mobile networks charge massive percentages for reverse/premium sms services. ie. £3.50 on your phonebill only means approx £1.80 in somebody like betnows pocket. I read somewhere that there are constant negotiations to lower this, but the networks coin so much in off it that they don&#039;t want to (think of all that revenue they&#039;re getting from dodgy pay per flirt sms services lol!)

I wonder if these guys (betnow) have managed to negotiate an amazing rate direct with the mobile networks, or if they&#039;re just absolutely screwing gamblers with horrible odds?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Currently the mobile networks charge massive percentages for reverse/premium sms services. ie. £3.50 on your phonebill only means approx £1.80 in somebody like betnows pocket. I read somewhere that there are constant negotiations to lower this, but the networks coin so much in off it that they don&#8217;t want to (think of all that revenue they&#8217;re getting from dodgy pay per flirt sms services lol!)</p>
<p>I wonder if these guys (betnow) have managed to negotiate an amazing rate direct with the mobile networks, or if they&#8217;re just absolutely screwing gamblers with horrible odds?</p>
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