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	<title>Comments on: Facebook, Google, Plaxo open up to set users free</title>
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		<title>By: WebAppropriate &#124; Interfaces for Data Portability</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/01/08/facebook-google-plaxo-open-up-to-set-users-free/comment-page-1/#comment-96554</link>
		<dc:creator>WebAppropriate &#124; Interfaces for Data Portability</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that will aid in free transportation of this data. The Data Portability group is making the latest waves in the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: More on the Privacy-Portability conundrum &#171; Vendorprisey</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/01/08/facebook-google-plaxo-open-up-to-set-users-free/comment-page-1/#comment-95332</link>
		<dc:creator>More on the Privacy-Portability conundrum &#171; Vendorprisey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the dataportability.org announcement, so after reading about it over at Dennis&#8217;s and Mike&#8217;s&#160; and at techcrunch HQ I had a little browse through the website and Ben&#8217;s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the dataportability.org announcement, so after reading about it over at Dennis&#8217;s and Mike&#8217;s&nbsp; and at techcrunch HQ I had a little browse through the website and Ben&#8217;s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Google and Facebook Pledge Data Portability &#187; InsideGoogle-part of the Blog News Channel</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; Google and Facebook Pledge Data Portability &#187; InsideGoogle-part of the Blog News Channel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 19:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Google, Facebook and Plaxo have joined the DataPortability Workgroup, pledging to allow users to export their contacts from one social network to another. Facebook has been particularly bad in this regard, hijacking your data and not letting you export it, as witnessed when Robert Scoble tried to export his data to Plaxo and had his account shut down for a few days. With these companies joining up, their pledging to do better by their users, and that&#8217;s good news for everyone. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Google, Facebook and Plaxo have joined the DataPortability Workgroup, pledging to allow users to export their contacts from one social network to another. Facebook has been particularly bad in this regard, hijacking your data and not letting you export it, as witnessed when Robert Scoble tried to export his data to Plaxo and had his account shut down for a few days. With these companies joining up, their pledging to do better by their users, and that&#8217;s good news for everyone. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David Petherick</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/01/08/facebook-google-plaxo-open-up-to-set-users-free/comment-page-1/#comment-95110</link>
		<dc:creator>David Petherick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 11:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dennis - Indeed - it may sound fine for individual users, but corporate Data Protection / Transfer Laws in EU, UK &amp; particularly Germany will be big hurdles to clear.

@Guy - Good point about people taking their data on you to other places. Guess it comes down to being careful who you befriend. Scoble may find himself losing a few friends...

I think we all have to recognise that the terms and conditions we agree to on web sites where we share our data is not just small print one can ignore - like most small print, it&#039;s precisely that which should be big print, as it&#039;s important. And remember, most of these terms can be changed at the whim of the site owner - &#039;free&#039; hardly describes it - &#039;over a barrel&#039; may be closer. 

... now, what does it say in TechCrunch UK&#039;s T&amp;C - and where exactly is the server that holds this comment located... and why does it still say © 2006 at the bottom of the page?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dennis &#8211; Indeed &#8211; it may sound fine for individual users, but corporate Data Protection / Transfer Laws in EU, UK &amp; particularly Germany will be big hurdles to clear.</p>
<p>@Guy &#8211; Good point about people taking their data on you to other places. Guess it comes down to being careful who you befriend. Scoble may find himself losing a few friends&#8230;</p>
<p>I think we all have to recognise that the terms and conditions we agree to on web sites where we share our data is not just small print one can ignore &#8211; like most small print, it&#8217;s precisely that which should be big print, as it&#8217;s important. And remember, most of these terms can be changed at the whim of the site owner &#8211; &#8216;free&#8217; hardly describes it &#8211; &#8216;over a barrel&#8217; may be closer. </p>
<p>&#8230; now, what does it say in TechCrunch UK&#8217;s T&amp;C &#8211; and where exactly is the server that holds this comment located&#8230; and why does it still say © 2006 at the bottom of the page?</p>
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		<title>By: Guy</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/01/08/facebook-google-plaxo-open-up-to-set-users-free/comment-page-1/#comment-94747</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 21:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Firstly let me say this is good news but hold the champagne on ice just yet.  

1. Plaxo have been  planning to be a OpenID provider for several months so nothing new.  They already consume openid and barely support microformats.  Given their recent FB/Scoble fiasco they needed something to deflect the news and this is it. 

2. Given their FB Beacon fiasco and their Scoble lockout, they too needed some good news. 

3. As for Google no suprise given Brad invented openid and rcently joined them.  

The thing with all three is to see it implemented because Kevin Rose promised openid support for Digg last year and has never delivered it. 

The other question is will google replace their authorisation mechanism with Oauth and broaden their support for microformats.

Fogive me for being a little skeptical as in Web 1.0 we saw Microsoft do the same with the Java Forum and pretend to support Java before creating FUD and Fear and then breaking it up.     

If I was FB, Google and Plaxo I would want to have someone on the inside just in case or to steer the standards their way commercially,. 

But that said congrats to Chris Saad and Chris Messina, lets hope this works. 

Lastly I have one other concern.  If people I befriend can take my data in their social graph elsewhere, what is to stop them importing it to sites I do not want to give my data.  What if Scoble took his 5000 friends and decided to join Hustler  and import his social graph without my permission.  Whose data is it then? his ir mine?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firstly let me say this is good news but hold the champagne on ice just yet.  </p>
<p>1. Plaxo have been  planning to be a OpenID provider for several months so nothing new.  They already consume openid and barely support microformats.  Given their recent FB/Scoble fiasco they needed something to deflect the news and this is it. </p>
<p>2. Given their FB Beacon fiasco and their Scoble lockout, they too needed some good news. </p>
<p>3. As for Google no suprise given Brad invented openid and rcently joined them.  </p>
<p>The thing with all three is to see it implemented because Kevin Rose promised openid support for Digg last year and has never delivered it. </p>
<p>The other question is will google replace their authorisation mechanism with Oauth and broaden their support for microformats.</p>
<p>Fogive me for being a little skeptical as in Web 1.0 we saw Microsoft do the same with the Java Forum and pretend to support Java before creating FUD and Fear and then breaking it up.     </p>
<p>If I was FB, Google and Plaxo I would want to have someone on the inside just in case or to steer the standards their way commercially,. </p>
<p>But that said congrats to Chris Saad and Chris Messina, lets hope this works. </p>
<p>Lastly I have one other concern.  If people I befriend can take my data in their social graph elsewhere, what is to stop them importing it to sites I do not want to give my data.  What if Scoble took his 5000 friends and decided to join Hustler  and import his social graph without my permission.  Whose data is it then? his ir mine?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Rochefort</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/01/08/facebook-google-plaxo-open-up-to-set-users-free/comment-page-1/#comment-94691</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Rochefort</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 20:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well well. Mr Scoble certainly knows how to shake a monkey out of a tree.

(Type &quot;scoble facebook&quot; into the search engine of your choice, if you need to know more).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well well. Mr Scoble certainly knows how to shake a monkey out of a tree.</p>
<p>(Type &#8220;scoble facebook&#8221; into the search engine of your choice, if you need to know more).</p>
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		<title>By: Jof Arnold</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/01/08/facebook-google-plaxo-open-up-to-set-users-free/comment-page-1/#comment-94660</link>
		<dc:creator>Jof Arnold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 20:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I presume they&#039;ll only export *contacts* though, and not the data they hold on you about your *interactions* between you and your network..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I presume they&#8217;ll only export *contacts* though, and not the data they hold on you about your *interactions* between you and your network..</p>
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		<title>By: Irregular Enterprise mobile edition</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/01/08/facebook-google-plaxo-open-up-to-set-users-free/comment-page-1/#comment-94609</link>
		<dc:creator>Irregular Enterprise mobile edition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the cries already. First up Mike Butcher at TechCrunch who in Twitter said this is MASSIVE NEWS and reported that: As TechCrunch US reports, today Facebook, Google and Plaxo have joined the DataPortability [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the cries already. First up Mike Butcher at TechCrunch who in Twitter said this is MASSIVE NEWS and reported that: As TechCrunch US reports, today Facebook, Google and Plaxo have joined the DataPortability [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David Petherick</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/01/08/facebook-google-plaxo-open-up-to-set-users-free/comment-page-1/#comment-94581</link>
		<dc:creator>David Petherick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 18:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This makes sense, and it&#039;s good to see these three key players taking this initiative - Facebook being the most surprising inclusion. I only hope they are not just paying lipservice to this. 

By recognising that the &#039;social graph&#039; is owned by the individuals who create those graphs, and with portability built in, it means that we, as the subjects and owners of the data, will not have that data locked in to any single site or set of variable terms and conditions. 

It does amaze me that it has taken so long for social networks to realise that, in order to ensure their long term survival, they all need to come out of the silos and have open standards of data exchange and portability. 

However, now that they are dismantling the walled gardens, the issue of verifying identity online will be even more vital. Are you the real Mike Butcher? Am I the real Digital Biographer? 

I can see a whole new opportunity for openID providers here...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This makes sense, and it&#8217;s good to see these three key players taking this initiative &#8211; Facebook being the most surprising inclusion. I only hope they are not just paying lipservice to this. </p>
<p>By recognising that the &#8217;social graph&#8217; is owned by the individuals who create those graphs, and with portability built in, it means that we, as the subjects and owners of the data, will not have that data locked in to any single site or set of variable terms and conditions. </p>
<p>It does amaze me that it has taken so long for social networks to realise that, in order to ensure their long term survival, they all need to come out of the silos and have open standards of data exchange and portability. </p>
<p>However, now that they are dismantling the walled gardens, the issue of verifying identity online will be even more vital. Are you the real Mike Butcher? Am I the real Digital Biographer? </p>
<p>I can see a whole new opportunity for openID providers here&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Josh russell</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/01/08/facebook-google-plaxo-open-up-to-set-users-free/comment-page-1/#comment-94569</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 18:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great news. Will be interesting to see how this attitude filters down through the mainstream internet. Flickr is a great example of how to who people with trust, by giving users full ownership and the openness to leave, people are even more likely to stay. This itself should win users, but if everyone is doing it, like you say, the merits (features etc..) become even more of a factor. Then real with this and openSocial, real competition can start!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great news. Will be interesting to see how this attitude filters down through the mainstream internet. Flickr is a great example of how to who people with trust, by giving users full ownership and the openness to leave, people are even more likely to stay. This itself should win users, but if everyone is doing it, like you say, the merits (features etc..) become even more of a factor. Then real with this and openSocial, real competition can start!</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Howlett</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/01/08/facebook-google-plaxo-open-up-to-set-users-free/comment-page-1/#comment-94563</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis Howlett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 18:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is crazy. Where is the force of law here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is crazy. Where is the force of law here?</p>
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