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	<title>Comments on: Ticket startups get heat from those terribly sweet promoters</title>
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		<title>By: TechCrunch UK &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Seatwave wins $25m Series C funding to expand</title>
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		<dc:creator>TechCrunch UK &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Seatwave wins $25m Series C funding to expand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] tickets is not illegal in the UK and a recent Culture, Media and Sport Committee released a report actually saying the secondary ticketing industry had been ‘transformed’ by the Internet and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: I Am Not Posting To Spam My Blog</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/ticket-startups-get-heat-from-those-terribly-sweet-promoters/comment-page-1/#comment-95634</link>
		<dc:creator>I Am Not Posting To Spam My Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cretins. &quot;Parasitic profiteering&quot;? Selling something because you no longer want or need it is not parasitic by any stretch of the imagination.

Arbitrage, buying something explicitly because you know the seller isn&#039;t selling it at market price and you can, could be called parasitic, I suppose. Albeit it&#039;s only parasitic on whatever combination of ignorance/stupidity/pigheadedness prevented the primary seller from selling it at market price in the first place. But arbitrage is still an accepted and even necessary part of free market machinery.

To be fair to the concert promoters, I think they probably would charge market price if they weren&#039;t afraid of the effect it would have on their audience. If they charged £7,000 for a Led Zep concert, the audience would be filled with corporate types closing deals on their mobiles instead of attractive young people jumping up and down. But the current situation still seems to show a serious lack of imagination and willingness to fall back on cheap lawyerin tactics. Why not have differentiated prices - i.e. cheap seats? Let the corporate types stand at the front and fill the rest of the room with not-so-good views with the sweaty masses. It worked in Shakespeare&#039;s day. There&#039;s not much point saying it&#039;s not fair that you have to pay for a view - it&#039;s no more unfair than having it decided by who&#039;s first in line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cretins. &#8220;Parasitic profiteering&#8221;? Selling something because you no longer want or need it is not parasitic by any stretch of the imagination.</p>
<p>Arbitrage, buying something explicitly because you know the seller isn&#8217;t selling it at market price and you can, could be called parasitic, I suppose. Albeit it&#8217;s only parasitic on whatever combination of ignorance/stupidity/pigheadedness prevented the primary seller from selling it at market price in the first place. But arbitrage is still an accepted and even necessary part of free market machinery.</p>
<p>To be fair to the concert promoters, I think they probably would charge market price if they weren&#8217;t afraid of the effect it would have on their audience. If they charged £7,000 for a Led Zep concert, the audience would be filled with corporate types closing deals on their mobiles instead of attractive young people jumping up and down. But the current situation still seems to show a serious lack of imagination and willingness to fall back on cheap lawyerin tactics. Why not have differentiated prices &#8211; i.e. cheap seats? Let the corporate types stand at the front and fill the rest of the room with not-so-good views with the sweaty masses. It worked in Shakespeare&#8217;s day. There&#8217;s not much point saying it&#8217;s not fair that you have to pay for a view &#8211; it&#8217;s no more unfair than having it decided by who&#8217;s first in line.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They deserve the grief. 

You try and buy a £25 ticket 2 seconds after it&#039;s gone on sale for a gig that should take days to sell out and, wow, they&#039;re all gone. But viagogo that instant has a load for sale at £90. 

What you&#039;re also finding is half empty venues despite it being a &quot;sell out&quot;. If these companies are snapping up all the tickets and don&#039;t shift half of them, what do they care as the one&#039;s that they&#039;ve sold they&#039;ve sold for a fortune - and they&#039;ve made a tidy profit overall.

Personally, If a gig had sold out and I really wanted to go I&#039;d rather go back to the &quot;a shifty looking guy outside the venue&quot; days.

Part of me says fair play for exploiting a loophole and making a business model that is a great success. However, I&#039;d prefer it if these legalised touts didn&#039;t exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They deserve the grief. </p>
<p>You try and buy a £25 ticket 2 seconds after it&#8217;s gone on sale for a gig that should take days to sell out and, wow, they&#8217;re all gone. But viagogo that instant has a load for sale at £90. </p>
<p>What you&#8217;re also finding is half empty venues despite it being a &#8220;sell out&#8221;. If these companies are snapping up all the tickets and don&#8217;t shift half of them, what do they care as the one&#8217;s that they&#8217;ve sold they&#8217;ve sold for a fortune &#8211; and they&#8217;ve made a tidy profit overall.</p>
<p>Personally, If a gig had sold out and I really wanted to go I&#8217;d rather go back to the &#8220;a shifty looking guy outside the venue&#8221; days.</p>
<p>Part of me says fair play for exploiting a loophole and making a business model that is a great success. However, I&#8217;d prefer it if these legalised touts didn&#8217;t exist.</p>
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		<title>By: James Governor</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/ticket-startups-get-heat-from-those-terribly-sweet-promoters/comment-page-1/#comment-95486</link>
		<dc:creator>James Governor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cheeky tossers. &quot;parasitic profiteering&quot;? what about the outrageous &quot;handling charge&quot; the big events companies change?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cheeky tossers. &#8220;parasitic profiteering&#8221;? what about the outrageous &#8220;handling charge&#8221; the big events companies change?</p>
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		<title>By: Ivan Pope</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ivan Pope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never understood why reselling tickets at a market price is such a big crime. If there is demand and limited supply, I wonder why the promoters are leaving so much  money on the table in the first place. Surely they can come up with a system of selling on tickets via a variable pricing scheme depending on demand? That&#039;s what Stelios of easy***** has made his fortune doing. If they won&#039;t do it, others can and will. If the demand is there, all the legislation in the world won&#039;t stop it happening - it&#039;s the third oldest profession!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never understood why reselling tickets at a market price is such a big crime. If there is demand and limited supply, I wonder why the promoters are leaving so much  money on the table in the first place. Surely they can come up with a system of selling on tickets via a variable pricing scheme depending on demand? That&#8217;s what Stelios of easy***** has made his fortune doing. If they won&#8217;t do it, others can and will. If the demand is there, all the legislation in the world won&#8217;t stop it happening &#8211; it&#8217;s the third oldest profession!</p>
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