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		<title>By: virtual office NYC</title>
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		<dc:creator>virtual office NYC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2011 03:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being in an ancient city such as London offers cultural advantages: historic sites, great museums and the arts are all outside your office window. You may even be able to acquire office space in an historic building such as the Inns at Court.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being in an ancient city such as London offers cultural advantages: historic sites, great museums and the arts are all outside your office window. You may even be able to acquire office space in an historic building such as the Inns at Court.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2011 12:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Webnomics Technologies is a &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.webnomicstech.net&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; asp  web development &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; and outsourcing company providing affordable design and development services. Now a new project of Virtual IT launched as a &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.virtualitzone.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Virtual dj&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;....(&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.compareforexmarket.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Forex Trading&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; ) Webnomics technologies has their expertise in &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.compareforexmarket.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Forex Market&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; and travel industry which provide most latest &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.quickforexweb.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Forex Trading&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;, &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cliqforex.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Forex Broker&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; and updates. Webnomics Technologies also have travel services for the one &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cliqtrips.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Cheap Trip Booking&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; booking. Webnomics technologies has a software development department to provide &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cliqsoftware.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Modern Software&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; &#124; &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cliqtrips.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Best Travel Deals&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; &#124; &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www. travel-booker.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Travel Insurance&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Webnomics Technologies is a <b><a href="http://www.webnomicstech.net" rel="nofollow"> asp  web development </a></b> and outsourcing company providing affordable design and development services. Now a new project of Virtual IT launched as a <b><a href="http://www.virtualitzone.com" rel="nofollow">Virtual dj</a></b>&#8230;.(<b><a href="http://www.compareforexmarket.com" rel="nofollow">Forex Trading</a></b> ) Webnomics technologies has their expertise in <b><a href="http://www.compareforexmarket.com" rel="nofollow">Forex Market</a></b> and travel industry which provide most latest <b><a href="http://www.quickforexweb.com" rel="nofollow">Forex Trading</a></b>, <b><a href="http://www.cliqforex.com" rel="nofollow">Forex Broker</a></b> and updates. Webnomics Technologies also have travel services for the one <b><a href="http://www.cliqtrips.com" rel="nofollow">Cheap Trip Booking</a></b> booking. Webnomics technologies has a software development department to provide <b><a href="http://www.cliqsoftware.com" rel="nofollow">Modern Software</a></b> | <b><a href="http://www.cliqtrips.com" rel="nofollow">Best Travel Deals</a></b> | <b><a href="http://www. travel-booker.com" rel="nofollow">Travel Insurance</a></b></p>
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		<title>By: Asif Ifteakhar Ridoy</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/02/26/london-offices-too-expensive-for-startups/comment-page-1/#comment-563596</link>
		<dc:creator>Asif Ifteakhar Ridoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 12:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dentist Tarzana, Encino,Woodland Hills, Irvine,Implant,Braces</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dramik.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.dramik.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Albion Colt</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/02/26/london-offices-too-expensive-for-startups/comment-page-1/#comment-549900</link>
		<dc:creator>Albion Colt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2011 11:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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Always make sure before starting up of any business. It’s true
that London offices
are too much expensive for its start up but it is also true if the environment
and space of your business is good the people working there. Its good to have a
good commercial office space.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://maps.google.com.au/maps/place?cid=14640945612854898555&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;virtual offices melbourne&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Always make sure before starting up of any business. It’s true<br />
that London offices<br />
are too much expensive for its start up but it is also true if the environment<br />
and space of your business is good the people working there. Its good to have a<br />
good commercial office space.<br />
<a href="http://maps.google.com.au/maps/place?cid=14640945612854898555" rel="nofollow">virtual offices melbourne</a></p>
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		<title>By: Working Hard</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/02/26/london-offices-too-expensive-for-startups/comment-page-1/#comment-439901</link>
		<dc:creator>Working Hard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 21:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, who would want to work in London when for half the price, something in beautiful Wales could be yours?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, who would want to work in London when for half the price, something in beautiful Wales could be yours?</p>
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		<title>By: Business</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/02/26/london-offices-too-expensive-for-startups/comment-page-1/#comment-298734</link>
		<dc:creator>Business</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 07:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But I think there is a huge amount of office space around at good rates (much, much cheaper than central London).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But I think there is a huge amount of office space around at good rates (much, much cheaper than central London).</p>
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		<title>By: Business</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/02/26/london-offices-too-expensive-for-startups/comment-page-1/#comment-279402</link>
		<dc:creator>Business</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As more and more traditional businesses are either forced to close their operations or size it down, the number of virtual businesses increase in numbers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As more and more traditional businesses are either forced to close their operations or size it down, the number of virtual businesses increase in numbers.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Anderson</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/02/26/london-offices-too-expensive-for-startups/comment-page-1/#comment-252818</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 19:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It can be tricky, but we find that there are many options, and your business operates as sole trade but you require &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.comerty.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;office space&lt;/a&gt; then some options could be so lease a virtual office. Or perhaps even look at some other &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.comerty.com/commercial-properties/?tye=offices&amp;location=Birmingham&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;commercial office space in Birmingham&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It can be tricky, but we find that there are many options, and your business operates as sole trade but you require <a href="http://www.comerty.com" rel="nofollow">office space</a> then some options could be so lease a virtual office. Or perhaps even look at some other <a href="http://www.comerty.com/commercial-properties/?tye=offices&amp;location=Birmingham" rel="nofollow">commercial office space in Birmingham</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/02/26/london-offices-too-expensive-for-startups/comment-page-1/#comment-224832</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 11:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree..thats why i suggest running an online business is the call of the hour!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree..thats why i suggest running an online business is the call of the hour!!!</p>
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		<title>By: King</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/02/26/london-offices-too-expensive-for-startups/comment-page-1/#comment-208519</link>
		<dc:creator>King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 05:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Starting an office at London! Oops! thats too costly, is there any other cost effective option...thats what comes to most of the entrepreneurs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Starting an office at London! Oops! thats too costly, is there any other cost effective option&#8230;thats what comes to most of the entrepreneurs.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 06:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lending Stream, being a startup, was pretty nostalgic in moving out of a pristine building to a new posh building. We tried our best to adapt to the heritage building with our new electronic gadgets and other luxuries, but we finally made the decision not to repair too much to meet our ends. So  our final call was to DON&#039;T DISTURB! MOVE OUT!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lending Stream, being a startup, was pretty nostalgic in moving out of a pristine building to a new posh building. We tried our best to adapt to the heritage building with our new electronic gadgets and other luxuries, but we finally made the decision not to repair too much to meet our ends. So  our final call was to DON&#8217;T DISTURB! MOVE OUT!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Mathews</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/02/26/london-offices-too-expensive-for-startups/comment-page-1/#comment-117365</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Mathews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some very constructive information here! Thanks everybody this is exactly the problem I/WE have been facing.. how do we get into London on a limited budget. 

Currently were based in SOUTHAMPTON of all places.. but it is where I and my partner studied so it was easy to find some office space above an Internet cafe for 2000 pounds a quarter including all bills. 

However its not great facilities and not a good working enviroment for our needy developers! So were looking to move into London in the next 6 months once we find suitable space both for office and living. 

If anyone has any more advice i would really appriciate it! You can contact me at sam *a*t* ugame.net, we will need around 8 desks. 

P.s. I&#039;m going to start checking out Techcrunch UK more.. to used to just reading the main TC site.. loving advice not just about Silicon Valley!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some very constructive information here! Thanks everybody this is exactly the problem I/WE have been facing.. how do we get into London on a limited budget. </p>
<p>Currently were based in SOUTHAMPTON of all places.. but it is where I and my partner studied so it was easy to find some office space above an Internet cafe for 2000 pounds a quarter including all bills. </p>
<p>However its not great facilities and not a good working enviroment for our needy developers! So were looking to move into London in the next 6 months once we find suitable space both for office and living. </p>
<p>If anyone has any more advice i would really appriciate it! You can contact me at sam *a*t* ugame.net, we will need around 8 desks. </p>
<p>P.s. I&#8217;m going to start checking out Techcrunch UK more.. to used to just reading the main TC site.. loving advice not just about Silicon Valley!</p>
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		<title>By: Wil Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wil Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The situation gets even more interesting if you&#039;re a startup that REQUIRES space - IE content production.  There was no option to bootstrap ChannelFlip with virtual working because we had to have a central space to build sets, put up lighting, store thousands of pounds of video shooting and editing equipment etc.  We have survived this in the first few months by renting space outside of London, in Oxford - but like many other startups, have found that the majority of the people we want to hire are already in London, making life awkward.

There seems to be an awful lot of reasonably priced office space in London - as long as you&#039;re willing to travel for it.  Shoreditch, Hackney, Hammersmith and pretty much anywhere south of the river have plenty of space that&#039;s affordable - particularly if you find renovated warehouse space, or creative hubs.  What you won&#039;t find, for the most part, is anything cheap and central.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The situation gets even more interesting if you&#8217;re a startup that REQUIRES space &#8211; IE content production.  There was no option to bootstrap ChannelFlip with virtual working because we had to have a central space to build sets, put up lighting, store thousands of pounds of video shooting and editing equipment etc.  We have survived this in the first few months by renting space outside of London, in Oxford &#8211; but like many other startups, have found that the majority of the people we want to hire are already in London, making life awkward.</p>
<p>There seems to be an awful lot of reasonably priced office space in London &#8211; as long as you&#8217;re willing to travel for it.  Shoreditch, Hackney, Hammersmith and pretty much anywhere south of the river have plenty of space that&#8217;s affordable &#8211; particularly if you find renovated warehouse space, or creative hubs.  What you won&#8217;t find, for the most part, is anything cheap and central.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip wilkinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philip wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@evan - very impressed with the cost savings you&#039;ve made by being in Cardiff - clever idea.

Now even though we (crowdstorm) are virtual as Mike mentions (in fact I am writing this from the lounge at Stanford business school!), I really think we would be more productive in an office with flipchart, desks, and other similar startups.   Thing is that serviced offices are expensive, other offices often want long term leases and are expensive, and subletting other startup desks would be good if you could easily find any.

So, my question is this.  Is this a real problem for people and if so, what do we do about it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@evan &#8211; very impressed with the cost savings you&#8217;ve made by being in Cardiff &#8211; clever idea.</p>
<p>Now even though we (crowdstorm) are virtual as Mike mentions (in fact I am writing this from the lounge at Stanford business school!), I really think we would be more productive in an office with flipchart, desks, and other similar startups.   Thing is that serviced offices are expensive, other offices often want long term leases and are expensive, and subletting other startup desks would be good if you could easily find any.</p>
<p>So, my question is this.  Is this a real problem for people and if so, what do we do about it?</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Storey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete Storey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been on both sides of this issue, as a startup and as a landlord.  I had a very cheap office in Bow, which was similarly knocked down for a residential development.

What I then decided to do - in an effort to offset some of my costs - was to go large, and take over 15,000 square feet of an old clothing factory, again in Bow, and set to work subdividing it into very cheap small units for mostly creative and startup companies.  

My initial idea was to complement the offices with some sort of classic Bay Area-style co-working or deskspace setup, but demand for this was muted.  What&#039;s been far more popular have been self-contained spaces from about 100 square feet, as i guess people value privacy and security.  From my own perspective, homeworking has far too many distractions and the discipline of actually coming out to work is really valuable.

I&#039;m also about to take over another 5,000 square feet of warehouse space next door, so I&#039;d be very interested to hear what the startup community actually needs, before I actually start building walls.  If anyone needs cheap space, please mail me - storey7*at*gmail.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been on both sides of this issue, as a startup and as a landlord.  I had a very cheap office in Bow, which was similarly knocked down for a residential development.</p>
<p>What I then decided to do &#8211; in an effort to offset some of my costs &#8211; was to go large, and take over 15,000 square feet of an old clothing factory, again in Bow, and set to work subdividing it into very cheap small units for mostly creative and startup companies.  </p>
<p>My initial idea was to complement the offices with some sort of classic Bay Area-style co-working or deskspace setup, but demand for this was muted.  What&#8217;s been far more popular have been self-contained spaces from about 100 square feet, as i guess people value privacy and security.  From my own perspective, homeworking has far too many distractions and the discipline of actually coming out to work is really valuable.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also about to take over another 5,000 square feet of warehouse space next door, so I&#8217;d be very interested to hear what the startup community actually needs, before I actually start building walls.  If anyone needs cheap space, please mail me &#8211; storey7*at*gmail.com</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 23:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anybody seen The Hospital in Covent Garden? £350 a year if your under 35 (or 30) and its a really cool place to work. www.thehospitalclub.com

I&#039;d recommend it : )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anybody seen The Hospital in Covent Garden? £350 a year if your under 35 (or 30) and its a really cool place to work. <a href="http://www.thehospitalclub.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.thehospitalclub.com</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;d recommend it : )</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Moross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Moross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike! I should have mentioned when you visited MOO&#039;s lush Clerkenwell pad that we&#039;re on a 1 year lease and paying less than half the market rate for the space.  If you&#039;re super-flexible and happy to shop around you can nab a short-term bargain for a serious discount.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike! I should have mentioned when you visited MOO&#8217;s lush Clerkenwell pad that we&#8217;re on a 1 year lease and paying less than half the market rate for the space.  If you&#8217;re super-flexible and happy to shop around you can nab a short-term bargain for a serious discount.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Joyce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Joyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 20:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been trying to find a small office in Kent for some time now.  I don&#039;t particularly need the space as my home office is reasonably well set up with the exception of my broadband connection, which sucks... about 40-60x slower than what I was getting in London.  It&#039;s barely more than dialup speeds... crippling.

If anyone knows of any spare desks or cheapish offices in the mid/west Kent area then I&#039;d be grateful to hear from you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been trying to find a small office in Kent for some time now.  I don&#8217;t particularly need the space as my home office is reasonably well set up with the exception of my broadband connection, which sucks&#8230; about 40-60x slower than what I was getting in London.  It&#8217;s barely more than dialup speeds&#8230; crippling.</p>
<p>If anyone knows of any spare desks or cheapish offices in the mid/west Kent area then I&#8217;d be grateful to hear from you.</p>
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		<title>By: fizetés és állás</title>
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		<dc:creator>fizetés és állás</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 20:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it was probably quite disappointing to leave this - originally - very nice building (:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it was probably quite disappointing to leave this &#8211; originally &#8211; very nice building (:</p>
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		<title>By: Andy McLoughlin</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/02/26/london-offices-too-expensive-for-startups/comment-page-1/#comment-116700</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy McLoughlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re in serviced offices on the &#039;wrong side of the river&#039;, between Waterloo and Vauxhall.  There isn&#039;t a huge amount of stuff around (distinct lack of decent pubs and sandwich places) but we have lovely views of Big Ben and are only minutes on the tube to the West End or City:

http://www.workspacegroup.co.uk/london-commercial-property/offices/south-east-london/southbank-house/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re in serviced offices on the &#8216;wrong side of the river&#8217;, between Waterloo and Vauxhall.  There isn&#8217;t a huge amount of stuff around (distinct lack of decent pubs and sandwich places) but we have lovely views of Big Ben and are only minutes on the tube to the West End or City:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.workspacegroup.co.uk/london-commercial-property/offices/south-east-london/southbank-house/" rel="nofollow">http://www.workspacegroup.co.uk/london-commercial-property/offices/south-east-london/southbank-house/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Evan Rudowski</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/02/26/london-offices-too-expensive-for-startups/comment-page-1/#comment-116696</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan Rudowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. When I am in London I usually work from the Institute of Directors -- £250/year with drop-in workspaces in Pall Mall and near Liverpool Street. They also have facilities in other cities such as Edinburgh, Manchester, etc.

If you run a start-up, you are probably a director and so you qualify for IoD membership. Yes it is a bit more stuffy but hell I&#039;m 43 years old now so I don&#039;t need to work in a skateboard park. When I want to do social stuff or occasionally work more quietly I use Adam Street.

Evan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. When I am in London I usually work from the Institute of Directors &#8212; £250/year with drop-in workspaces in Pall Mall and near Liverpool Street. They also have facilities in other cities such as Edinburgh, Manchester, etc.</p>
<p>If you run a start-up, you are probably a director and so you qualify for IoD membership. Yes it is a bit more stuffy but hell I&#8217;m 43 years old now so I don&#8217;t need to work in a skateboard park. When I want to do social stuff or occasionally work more quietly I use Adam Street.</p>
<p>Evan</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Rudowski</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/02/26/london-offices-too-expensive-for-startups/comment-page-1/#comment-116695</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan Rudowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,

As you know we located SubHub in Cardiff exactly for this reason. It&#039;s two hours from Paddington by train so it&#039;s accessible to London whenever someone from our team needs to be there. It&#039;s also close to Bristol where there is plenty of digital media activity. And Cardiff Bay, where we are located, is very nice especially in summer. I like to joke that I have a Bay Area internet start-up even if it is a different bay!

In Cardiff we benefit not only from reduced costs but also from subsidies provided by the Welsh Assembly. Salaries are lower than in London and loyalty is probably greater as there are fewer start-ups in our space competing for talent. We are in the @Wales Digital Media Incubator which is a subsidised facility where we pay £60/person/month, and they also provide computers. We have job creation and other grants worth around £300,000 which are free cash and non-repayable as long as we hit certain targets.

Because of all this we have been able to bootstrap our start-up much more efficiently than if we had been in London. This has been really helpful given the blind alleys one can often go down in building a company and finding the right message and model. Without a doubt we would have had to take external investment sooner to fund that whole process if we had remained in London. Now we have a launched product, an experienced team and a growing customer base, which is much more appealing to the potential investors we are currently engaged with.

Cheers,
Evan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>As you know we located SubHub in Cardiff exactly for this reason. It&#8217;s two hours from Paddington by train so it&#8217;s accessible to London whenever someone from our team needs to be there. It&#8217;s also close to Bristol where there is plenty of digital media activity. And Cardiff Bay, where we are located, is very nice especially in summer. I like to joke that I have a Bay Area internet start-up even if it is a different bay!</p>
<p>In Cardiff we benefit not only from reduced costs but also from subsidies provided by the Welsh Assembly. Salaries are lower than in London and loyalty is probably greater as there are fewer start-ups in our space competing for talent. We are in the @Wales Digital Media Incubator which is a subsidised facility where we pay £60/person/month, and they also provide computers. We have job creation and other grants worth around £300,000 which are free cash and non-repayable as long as we hit certain targets.</p>
<p>Because of all this we have been able to bootstrap our start-up much more efficiently than if we had been in London. This has been really helpful given the blind alleys one can often go down in building a company and finding the right message and model. Without a doubt we would have had to take external investment sooner to fund that whole process if we had remained in London. Now we have a launched product, an experienced team and a growing customer base, which is much more appealing to the potential investors we are currently engaged with.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Evan</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Butcher</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/02/26/london-offices-too-expensive-for-startups/comment-page-1/#comment-116694</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Butcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And for the curious, here&#039;s where Sean Glass ended up:
http://www.utopiavillage.co.uk/
http://www.quickoffices.com/office_details.asp?id=3530</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And for the curious, here&#8217;s where Sean Glass ended up:<br />
<a href="http://www.utopiavillage.co.uk/" rel="nofollow">http://www.utopiavillage.co.uk/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.quickoffices.com/office_details.asp?id=3530" rel="nofollow">http://www.quickoffices.com/office_details.asp?id=3530</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sean Glass</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/02/26/london-offices-too-expensive-for-startups/comment-page-1/#comment-116691</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Glass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Mike - this is all useful info... when we were getting setup here, I actually blogged some thoughts on what I thought was important for startup space.  I also blogged about how we went from 0 to office in 20 hours... here are the links in case anyone finds it interesting:
http://www.seanglass.com/wordpress/?p=80
and
http://www.seanglass.com/wordpress/?p=79

@Keld - your space does rock...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Mike &#8211; this is all useful info&#8230; when we were getting setup here, I actually blogged some thoughts on what I thought was important for startup space.  I also blogged about how we went from 0 to office in 20 hours&#8230; here are the links in case anyone finds it interesting:<br />
<a href="http://www.seanglass.com/wordpress/?p=80" rel="nofollow">http://www.seanglass.com/wordpress/?p=80</a><br />
and<br />
<a href="http://www.seanglass.com/wordpress/?p=79" rel="nofollow">http://www.seanglass.com/wordpress/?p=79</a></p>
<p>@Keld &#8211; your space does rock&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Danvers Baillieu</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/02/26/london-offices-too-expensive-for-startups/comment-page-1/#comment-116682</link>
		<dc:creator>Danvers Baillieu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A friend of a friend of mine runs the Hubworking centre: http://www.hubworking.net - seems good if you want to be in the City.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A friend of a friend of mine runs the Hubworking centre: <a href="http://www.hubworking.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.hubworking.net</a> &#8211; seems good if you want to be in the City.</p>
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