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		<title>By: TechCrunch UK &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Founders apply electric shocks to Naked&#8217;s dead body</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/05/30/disecting-naked/comment-page-1/#comment-138562</link>
		<dc:creator>TechCrunch UK &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Founders apply electric shocks to Naked&#8217;s dead body</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 21:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Infrastructure leads out there would be gagging to join a liquidated startup, however, Naked still has fans out there willing to give it a go. Perhaps there is life after death afterall. Perhaps they have secured new [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Infrastructure leads out there would be gagging to join a liquidated startup, however, Naked still has fans out there willing to give it a go. Perhaps there is life after death afterall. Perhaps they have secured new [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Butcher</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/05/30/disecting-naked/comment-page-1/#comment-138059</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Butcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 15:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, I am wet with anticipation. No, really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, I am wet with anticipation. No, really.</p>
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		<title>By: David Petherick</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/05/30/disecting-naked/comment-page-1/#comment-138058</link>
		<dc:creator>David Petherick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 15:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Mike, you got it - I am waiting for something to happen. 

And when it does happen, I&#039;ll publish my story. Over and out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Mike, you got it &#8211; I am waiting for something to happen. </p>
<p>And when it does happen, I&#8217;ll publish my story. Over and out.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Butcher</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/05/30/disecting-naked/comment-page-1/#comment-138051</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Butcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 13:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David. I await with bated breath for your inside story of what happened at Naked. Please, just fucking publish it an enlighten us all. Or are you still &quot;waiting for something to happen&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David. I await with bated breath for your inside story of what happened at Naked. Please, just fucking publish it an enlighten us all. Or are you still &#8220;waiting for something to happen&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: David Petherick</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/05/30/disecting-naked/comment-page-1/#comment-138050</link>
		<dc:creator>David Petherick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 13:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike I get what you are saying mate, I just disagree with you! 

And for the record: (Sound of underlining in background)

- The post I wrote was *not* simply a criticism of your report, it was pointing out that there were two important facts missing from your story about Naked: 
Fact 1) The site is still up there.
Fact 2) You can check it out for yourself.   

- You did not include those two facts - you said &quot;We will now probably never know what Naked was capable of.&quot; You could have played around with the Naked Beta with our compliments, for over three weeks now - and we published that fact! Duh! 

- As for taking the story/blog no further - I had lengthy one-to-one conversations and exchanges of messages with a number of individuals who were the core team around Naked, in conversations that took place just a few days after their sending a message to their private beta users. I&#039;m waiting for something to happen before I write my story. Liquidation is only a story when you establish who bought the assets.

- The great thing about a blog is that I was able to add my thoughts to the debate and say - wait - no - you can find out what it&#039;s capable of - look here. Sorted. But that doesn&#039;t mean I can be critical of what you write. 

Now, you put a pretty heavy slant on what I said, and put words into my mouth in this article today. However, that&#039;s no big deal - I am not going to pick apart every phrase you used - you&#039;re entitled to your opinion. We move on. We have aired our opinions. It&#039;s cool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike I get what you are saying mate, I just disagree with you! </p>
<p>And for the record: (Sound of underlining in background)</p>
<p>- The post I wrote was *not* simply a criticism of your report, it was pointing out that there were two important facts missing from your story about Naked:<br />
Fact 1) The site is still up there.<br />
Fact 2) You can check it out for yourself.   </p>
<p>- You did not include those two facts &#8211; you said &#8220;We will now probably never know what Naked was capable of.&#8221; You could have played around with the Naked Beta with our compliments, for over three weeks now &#8211; and we published that fact! Duh! </p>
<p>- As for taking the story/blog no further &#8211; I had lengthy one-to-one conversations and exchanges of messages with a number of individuals who were the core team around Naked, in conversations that took place just a few days after their sending a message to their private beta users. I&#8217;m waiting for something to happen before I write my story. Liquidation is only a story when you establish who bought the assets.</p>
<p>- The great thing about a blog is that I was able to add my thoughts to the debate and say &#8211; wait &#8211; no &#8211; you can find out what it&#8217;s capable of &#8211; look here. Sorted. But that doesn&#8217;t mean I can be critical of what you write. </p>
<p>Now, you put a pretty heavy slant on what I said, and put words into my mouth in this article today. However, that&#8217;s no big deal &#8211; I am not going to pick apart every phrase you used &#8211; you&#8217;re entitled to your opinion. We move on. We have aired our opinions. It&#8217;s cool.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Hodgkiss</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/05/30/disecting-naked/comment-page-1/#comment-138040</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Hodgkiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 11:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go Mike!!!! You tell him!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go Mike!!!! You tell him!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Butcher</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/05/30/disecting-naked/comment-page-1/#comment-138038</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Butcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 11:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David - Mate you clearly dont get anything I am saying here. Let&#039;s move on.

But for the record:

- Well done, you posted about this three weeks ago referencing an email Naked sent out. *Slap on back*. But you took it no further.

- Well done, yes the site is still there. Wow.

- &quot;Nothing has changed in a fiduciary sense for Naked in 3 weeks&quot;. FYI Going into administratoin is one thing. Liquidation is irreversible.

- &quot;he Next Web didn’t report on the fact that the company was in liquidation because that’s not interesting.&quot; Oh come on, are you serious?

- &quot;Techcrunch wrote stories or blogs?&quot; Depends on the hour of the day mate.

- &quot;I don’t think you can characterise what I wrote as having ‘attacked’ you.&quot; You say tomato, I say tomato. Let&#039;s call the whole thing off. But to be honest a pretty long post &quot;criticising&quot; my report is pretty borderline. Whatever! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David &#8211; Mate you clearly dont get anything I am saying here. Let&#8217;s move on.</p>
<p>But for the record:</p>
<p>- Well done, you posted about this three weeks ago referencing an email Naked sent out. *Slap on back*. But you took it no further.</p>
<p>- Well done, yes the site is still there. Wow.</p>
<p>- &#8220;Nothing has changed in a fiduciary sense for Naked in 3 weeks&#8221;. FYI Going into administratoin is one thing. Liquidation is irreversible.</p>
<p>- &#8220;he Next Web didn’t report on the fact that the company was in liquidation because that’s not interesting.&#8221; Oh come on, are you serious?</p>
<p>- &#8220;Techcrunch wrote stories or blogs?&#8221; Depends on the hour of the day mate.</p>
<p>- &#8220;I don’t think you can characterise what I wrote as having ‘attacked’ you.&#8221; You say tomato, I say tomato. Let&#8217;s call the whole thing off. But to be honest a pretty long post &#8220;criticising&#8221; my report is pretty borderline. Whatever! <img src='http://eu.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/05/30/disecting-naked/comment-page-1/#comment-138037</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 11:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Make love not war</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Make love not war</p>
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		<title>By: william fischer</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/05/30/disecting-naked/comment-page-1/#comment-138036</link>
		<dc:creator>william fischer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 10:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some quick thoughts:

The cash position and burn for getnkd would have been available to an investor prior to an investment.  An article that points this out doesn&#039;t hurt. Startups are routinely undercapitalized.  Bad reviews can hurt but they are a necessary byproduct of having reliable vetters which , on balance,  are essential to the start-up ecosystem.

If the value proposition is there, then any publicity actually helps a start-up. Heat is the friend of good products.  As you have pointed out, getnkd was trumpeting their challenges in the hope that this could shake-out more investment or trials.

Most start-ups underestimate the time/challenges of the capital formation - stories like this are a great reminder to keep cash burn lean.

Bill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some quick thoughts:</p>
<p>The cash position and burn for getnkd would have been available to an investor prior to an investment.  An article that points this out doesn&#8217;t hurt. Startups are routinely undercapitalized.  Bad reviews can hurt but they are a necessary byproduct of having reliable vetters which , on balance,  are essential to the start-up ecosystem.</p>
<p>If the value proposition is there, then any publicity actually helps a start-up. Heat is the friend of good products.  As you have pointed out, getnkd was trumpeting their challenges in the hope that this could shake-out more investment or trials.</p>
<p>Most start-ups underestimate the time/challenges of the capital formation &#8211; stories like this are a great reminder to keep cash burn lean.</p>
<p>Bill</p>
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		<title>By: Luke Noel-Storr</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/05/30/disecting-naked/comment-page-1/#comment-138034</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke Noel-Storr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 10:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, many many many many times I&#039;ve seen people use &quot;of&quot; instead of &quot;&#039;ve&quot;, but I think this is the first time I&#039;ve seen the opposite mistake.

(yes, this is a &quot;kind&#039;ve&quot; pointless comment)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, many many many many times I&#8217;ve seen people use &#8220;of&#8221; instead of &#8220;&#8216;ve&#8221;, but I think this is the first time I&#8217;ve seen the opposite mistake.</p>
<p>(yes, this is a &#8220;kind&#8217;ve&#8221; pointless comment)</p>
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		<title>By: David Petherick</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/05/30/disecting-naked/comment-page-1/#comment-138032</link>
		<dc:creator>David Petherick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 10:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Mike - good to see you&#039;re reading our blog. 

I&#039;ve added my response to your comment you made on The Next Web blog, but I see this has now popped up, so I guess I need to respond here. 

1) The story/blog you ran missed out one important factor - Naked&#039;s web site is still up and running, and invitations to use it are still available - and requests for invitations formed a very significant part of the comments on your story/blog - but only after I pointed out this omission.

2) Your story/blog is 3 weeks behind ours, and nothing has changed in a fiduciary sense for Naked in 3 weeks.  

3) The Next Web didn&#039;t report on the fact that the company was in liquidation because that&#039;s not interesting. You can get that news from the statutory notices. The product and the way the admission of being in trouble was made was what was interesting - as was the fact that it was still open to people to use it - the very piece of news you missed.  

4) Is it a story or is it a blog? Asking direct questions in a story, and then answering them yourself, or with others&#039; comments (especially if anonymous) is a great technique for persuasive argument. But I have to ask - does Techcrunch wrote stories or blogs?

5) Everyone loves a good online spat, especially if the language starts getting colourful and people get personal - but I don&#039;t think you can characterise what I wrote as having &#039;attacked&#039; you. Attack is rather an emotive word - very sorry if I touched a nerve  - but &#039;criticised&#039; is more how I&#039;d describe it. I do apologise.

Best regards, David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mike &#8211; good to see you&#8217;re reading our blog. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve added my response to your comment you made on The Next Web blog, but I see this has now popped up, so I guess I need to respond here. </p>
<p>1) The story/blog you ran missed out one important factor &#8211; Naked&#8217;s web site is still up and running, and invitations to use it are still available &#8211; and requests for invitations formed a very significant part of the comments on your story/blog &#8211; but only after I pointed out this omission.</p>
<p>2) Your story/blog is 3 weeks behind ours, and nothing has changed in a fiduciary sense for Naked in 3 weeks.  </p>
<p>3) The Next Web didn&#8217;t report on the fact that the company was in liquidation because that&#8217;s not interesting. You can get that news from the statutory notices. The product and the way the admission of being in trouble was made was what was interesting &#8211; as was the fact that it was still open to people to use it &#8211; the very piece of news you missed.  </p>
<p>4) Is it a story or is it a blog? Asking direct questions in a story, and then answering them yourself, or with others&#8217; comments (especially if anonymous) is a great technique for persuasive argument. But I have to ask &#8211; does Techcrunch wrote stories or blogs?</p>
<p>5) Everyone loves a good online spat, especially if the language starts getting colourful and people get personal &#8211; but I don&#8217;t think you can characterise what I wrote as having &#8216;attacked&#8217; you. Attack is rather an emotive word &#8211; very sorry if I touched a nerve  &#8211; but &#8216;criticised&#8217; is more how I&#8217;d describe it. I do apologise.</p>
<p>Best regards, David</p>
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