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	<title>Comments on: While the BBC fiddles, Britain&#8217;s innovation burns</title>
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		<title>By: Matthew Postgate appointed as Controller of BBC R&#38;I &#171; TEST</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/06/02/while-the-bbc-fiddles-britains-innovation-burns/comment-page-1/#comment-173204</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Postgate appointed as Controller of BBC R&#38;I &#171; TEST</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] outstripped by short-term web-based innovation. Meanwhile, it has had to react to calls for it to open up its platforms and research to support a wider UK innovation community. There has been a lot of work in the last 5 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] outstripped by short-term web-based innovation. Meanwhile, it has had to react to calls for it to open up its platforms and research to support a wider UK innovation community. There has been a lot of work in the last 5 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Interesting BBC data to hack with &#171; Derivadow.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Interesting BBC data to hack with &#171; Derivadow.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: delade &#124; Public Service som motor för innovation</title>
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		<dc:creator>delade &#124; Public Service som motor för innovation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 08:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] fungera som en motor för innovation för andra som vill bygga på denna plattform (bakgrund hos TechCrunch UK och hos Bowblog). Det skulle vara ett sätt att föra vidare lite av försprånget som BBC har på [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] fungera som en motor för innovation för andra som vill bygga på denna plattform (bakgrund hos TechCrunch UK och hos Bowblog). Det skulle vara ett sätt att föra vidare lite av försprånget som BBC har på [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Shiny &#38; Panorama and TechCrunch &#38; the BBC &#171; Jazamatazz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shiny &#38; Panorama and TechCrunch &#38; the BBC &#171; Jazamatazz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] really interesting BBC-TechCrunch UK debate on Wednesday. The BBC picked up on Mike Butcher&#8217;s challenge about why they&#8217;re not doing more to open up and work with the UK&#8217;s talented and exciting [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] really interesting BBC-TechCrunch UK debate on Wednesday. The BBC picked up on Mike Butcher&#8217;s challenge about why they&#8217;re not doing more to open up and work with the UK&#8217;s talented and exciting [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bowblog: The BBC common platform debate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bowblog: The BBC common platform debate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to Mike Butcher for putting the considerable weight of TechCrunch UK behind this. It was his initial post that got things going in the first place. Thanks to all the panelists, all of whom have important [...]</description>
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		<title>By: TechCrunch UK &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The TechCrunch BBC debate - Are you coming?</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/06/02/while-the-bbc-fiddles-britains-innovation-burns/comment-page-1/#comment-142237</link>
		<dc:creator>TechCrunch UK &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The TechCrunch BBC debate - Are you coming?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 14:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ArthurGuy &#187; The TechCrunch BBC Debate</title>
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		<dc:creator>ArthurGuy &#187; The TechCrunch BBC Debate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] seems to have been spurred on my Mike Butcher the editor for TechCrunch UK in several different posts. Mike has been calling for a public debate on the matter and he has got his wish, next week there [...]</description>
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		<title>By: TechCrunch UK &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The TechCrunch BBC Debate</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/06/02/while-the-bbc-fiddles-britains-innovation-burns/comment-page-1/#comment-140255</link>
		<dc:creator>TechCrunch UK &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The TechCrunch BBC Debate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] debate and discuss the issues around the BBC&#8217;s assets and technology, prompted by the debates here and here . We are encouraging startups and developers to attend and engage with these [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] debate and discuss the issues around the BBC&#8217;s assets and technology, prompted by the debates here and here . We are encouraging startups and developers to attend and engage with these [...]</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/06/02/while-the-bbc-fiddles-britains-innovation-burns/comment-page-1/#comment-139721</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 14:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is absolutely spot on. The BBC should be inviting outside developers and content providers to create fantastic innovations that will benefit licence payers. Really the BBC should be driving online innovation like Google and Facebook, but we have no equivalent here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is absolutely spot on. The BBC should be inviting outside developers and content providers to create fantastic innovations that will benefit licence payers. Really the BBC should be driving online innovation like Google and Facebook, but we have no equivalent here.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Forrester</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/06/02/while-the-bbc-fiddles-britains-innovation-burns/comment-page-1/#comment-139209</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Forrester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 10:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good to hear backstage is still loved....

I&#039;m also thinking this would make a good podcast, as it keeps coming up again and again.</description>
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<p>I&#8217;m also thinking this would make a good podcast, as it keeps coming up again and again.</p>
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		<title>By: TechCrunch UK &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Should we have a heated debate?</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/06/02/while-the-bbc-fiddles-britains-innovation-burns/comment-page-1/#comment-139049</link>
		<dc:creator>TechCrunch UK &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Should we have a heated debate?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 10:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] had a lot of feedback in the last few days following my recent posts about the BBC. My position can be summed up thus: The BBC could do more than it currently [...]</description>
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		<title>By: James Cridland</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/06/02/while-the-bbc-fiddles-britains-innovation-burns/comment-page-1/#comment-138943</link>
		<dc:creator>James Cridland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 19:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@anon - of course, the reality is that the BBC is in competition with newspapers. Don&#039;t agree it&#039;s &quot;killing the online market&quot;; it&#039;s healthy and distinctive competition, yes, but no, it&#039;s not &#039;killing&#039; anyone. I can still see a Guardian, Telegraph, Times, and Indy website - and indeed BBC News links to them along with other news websites, from every single news story.

Incidentally, I don&#039;t work for BBC News, and therefore they&#039;re not in competition with me personally, unless they wish to move into the online radio space (which naturally they&#039;re perfectly within their rights to). Don&#039;t conflate me with &quot;the BBC&quot; - I&#039;ve not used the phrase &quot;portfolio prioritisation&quot; yet, I&#039;m clearly not a proper Beeboid, and I&#039;m critical of lots of what the corporation does (online or not).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@anon &#8211; of course, the reality is that the BBC is in competition with newspapers. Don&#8217;t agree it&#8217;s &#8220;killing the online market&#8221;; it&#8217;s healthy and distinctive competition, yes, but no, it&#8217;s not &#8216;killing&#8217; anyone. I can still see a Guardian, Telegraph, Times, and Indy website &#8211; and indeed BBC News links to them along with other news websites, from every single news story.</p>
<p>Incidentally, I don&#8217;t work for BBC News, and therefore they&#8217;re not in competition with me personally, unless they wish to move into the online radio space (which naturally they&#8217;re perfectly within their rights to). Don&#8217;t conflate me with &#8220;the BBC&#8221; &#8211; I&#8217;ve not used the phrase &#8220;portfolio prioritisation&#8221; yet, I&#8217;m clearly not a proper Beeboid, and I&#8217;m critical of lots of what the corporation does (online or not).</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 16:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@james cridland 

&quot;Lest you forget, the papers see themselves in competition with the BBC.&quot;

The reality is that the BBC is killing the online market for the four very high quality newspapers we are lucky to have in the UK.  They ARE in competiton with you (and suffering from it).</description>
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<p>&#8220;Lest you forget, the papers see themselves in competition with the BBC.&#8221;</p>
<p>The reality is that the BBC is killing the online market for the four very high quality newspapers we are lucky to have in the UK.  They ARE in competiton with you (and suffering from it).</p>
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		<title>By: Extenuating Circumstances &#8211; links for 2008-06-04</title>
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		<dc:creator>Extenuating Circumstances &#8211; links for 2008-06-04</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 10:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] TechCrunch UK » Blog Archive » While the BBC fiddles, Britain’s innovation burns Big rant. Nothing about 4IP. (tags: bbc bbc.co.uk trust report budget uk innovation tech business media) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Geoffrey McCaleb</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/06/02/while-the-bbc-fiddles-britains-innovation-burns/comment-page-1/#comment-138834</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoffrey McCaleb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 05:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Ian: Coming from the corporate world myself, of course overspends like this happen all the time. But when they do, people get fired. Why? Because the stockholders wouldn&#039;t stand for it. We are the stockholders, so that overspend just came out of your pocket. 

@ Jem: Only £4M? Odd, the trusts own report states it to be £28.4 (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/29_05_08_bbc_trust.pdf).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Ian: Coming from the corporate world myself, of course overspends like this happen all the time. But when they do, people get fired. Why? Because the stockholders wouldn&#8217;t stand for it. We are the stockholders, so that overspend just came out of your pocket. </p>
<p>@ Jem: Only £4M? Odd, the trusts own report states it to be £28.4 (<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/29_05_08_bbc_trust.pdf)." rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/29_05_08_bbc_trust.pdf).</a></p>
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		<title>By: A trawl around the web, May 23rd to June 3rd - blog - James Cridland</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/06/02/while-the-bbc-fiddles-britains-innovation-burns/comment-page-1/#comment-138799</link>
		<dc:creator>A trawl around the web, May 23rd to June 3rd - blog - James Cridland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 23:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] about t&#8217;BBC While the BBC fiddles, Britain&#8217;s innovation burns [Techcrunch UK]Mike Butcher &#8230; worn record &#8230; growl &#8230; comments &#8230; Jem Stone &#8230; excellent [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jem Stone (BBC)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jem Stone (BBC)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok sorry. I couldn&#039;t resist. An overspend is when you spend more than you budgeted for. An overspend is not when the BBC Trust decides, perhaps sensibly, that the lights and desks shouldn&#039;t be charged to the buildings dept but to bbc.co.uk instead. And that the multi platform lot in telly or radio should be counted against bbc.co.uk rather than tv instead. And therefore the total budget for bbc.co.uk should be reported as higher than they previously thought. Overspend or a re allocation of planned budgets.  You decide.

The actual overspend in the budget was less than 4m but you&#039;d have to actually  read the report to find that bit out ;) (9 thick PDFs !)

as for merely ticking that reithian box of inform, educate and entertain. quite a box i&#039;d say there mike.!

@stevebowbrick . Of course. We&#039;d be delighted to be able to respond to such a conversation. Mike Be great to see Tech Crunch play a part in that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok sorry. I couldn&#8217;t resist. An overspend is when you spend more than you budgeted for. An overspend is not when the BBC Trust decides, perhaps sensibly, that the lights and desks shouldn&#8217;t be charged to the buildings dept but to bbc.co.uk instead. And that the multi platform lot in telly or radio should be counted against bbc.co.uk rather than tv instead. And therefore the total budget for bbc.co.uk should be reported as higher than they previously thought. Overspend or a re allocation of planned budgets.  You decide.</p>
<p>The actual overspend in the budget was less than 4m but you&#8217;d have to actually  read the report to find that bit out <img src='http://eu.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  (9 thick PDFs !)</p>
<p>as for merely ticking that reithian box of inform, educate and entertain. quite a box i&#8217;d say there mike.!</p>
<p>@stevebowbrick . Of course. We&#8217;d be delighted to be able to respond to such a conversation. Mike Be great to see Tech Crunch play a part in that.</p>
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		<title>By: James Cridland</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/06/02/while-the-bbc-fiddles-britains-innovation-burns/comment-page-1/#comment-138772</link>
		<dc:creator>James Cridland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Mike,

You&#039;d expect me to back my employer. But I must say, I find much of what you say nothing short of insulting. You&#039;ve linked to one person at the BBC (the excellent and unique Tom Scott who happens to be in my team), both at his personal blog and on our RadioLabs blog, and you think that he&#039;s the only person who &quot;gets it&quot; at the BBC? I&#039;ve never worked somewhere with so many people who &quot;get it&quot;.

Much of our issues are caused by our admittedly outdated infrastructure - which is due for complete renewal this year (not a small task for the #3 website in the UK). All new BBC projects have RSS feeds and other views (microformats, RDF, etc) built-in at the design stage - just take a look at my team&#039;s /programmes site (I manage the dev/design/architecture team for it) for a shining example. Where rights and talent negotiations permit (no, it&#039;s more than just music which is the issue) of course we want to share our great content as far as we can. You might not realise that the BBC doesn&#039;t even, currently, own the rights for our own programme schedules. Gulp.

You also conveniently forget the 25% of the new media budget that the BBC spends on independent new media production. Clearly not enough help for startups, but a fine start. And in defence of those that did the accounts, though we did overspend slightly, we didn&#039;t really overspend to the amount that the papers have said. (There was a tremendous answer given today in our team briefing about this, most of which I&#039;ve forgotten). Lest you forget, the papers see themselves in competition with the BBC, and their coverage, just like yours, is hardly unbiased.

And in response to one of the comments here - please let me (or Jem) know what blogs are running partial feeds, and I&#039;d be delighted to discover the reasons. They irritate me just as much as you. The one I&#039;m responsible for, the BBC Radio Labs blog, has a full feed, that much I can tell you.

James
(who thought until recently that he &#039;got it&#039; too, but if TechCrunch says not, then I don&#039;t. Back to school for me then.)
(speaking in a moderately personal capacity)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Mike,</p>
<p>You&#8217;d expect me to back my employer. But I must say, I find much of what you say nothing short of insulting. You&#8217;ve linked to one person at the BBC (the excellent and unique Tom Scott who happens to be in my team), both at his personal blog and on our RadioLabs blog, and you think that he&#8217;s the only person who &#8220;gets it&#8221; at the BBC? I&#8217;ve never worked somewhere with so many people who &#8220;get it&#8221;.</p>
<p>Much of our issues are caused by our admittedly outdated infrastructure &#8211; which is due for complete renewal this year (not a small task for the #3 website in the UK). All new BBC projects have RSS feeds and other views (microformats, RDF, etc) built-in at the design stage &#8211; just take a look at my team&#8217;s /programmes site (I manage the dev/design/architecture team for it) for a shining example. Where rights and talent negotiations permit (no, it&#8217;s more than just music which is the issue) of course we want to share our great content as far as we can. You might not realise that the BBC doesn&#8217;t even, currently, own the rights for our own programme schedules. Gulp.</p>
<p>You also conveniently forget the 25% of the new media budget that the BBC spends on independent new media production. Clearly not enough help for startups, but a fine start. And in defence of those that did the accounts, though we did overspend slightly, we didn&#8217;t really overspend to the amount that the papers have said. (There was a tremendous answer given today in our team briefing about this, most of which I&#8217;ve forgotten). Lest you forget, the papers see themselves in competition with the BBC, and their coverage, just like yours, is hardly unbiased.</p>
<p>And in response to one of the comments here &#8211; please let me (or Jem) know what blogs are running partial feeds, and I&#8217;d be delighted to discover the reasons. They irritate me just as much as you. The one I&#8217;m responsible for, the BBC Radio Labs blog, has a full feed, that much I can tell you.</p>
<p>James<br />
(who thought until recently that he &#8216;got it&#8217; too, but if TechCrunch says not, then I don&#8217;t. Back to school for me then.)<br />
(speaking in a moderately personal capacity)</p>
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		<title>By: Interesting Stuff 2008-06-03 &#124; Dom.ir Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Interesting Stuff 2008-06-03 &#124; Dom.ir Blog</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] Animated debate at TechCrunch UK around Mike Butcher&#039;s call for &quot;turning the BBC into a platform that UK startup technology companies can work on and with&quot;:the best way the BBC can now allay any fears about its market dominance is by building a platform for innovation. Not a policy - a real platform. With APIs even.That way we&#039;ll get our money/value back - and the BBC can start to give something back, not just TV and radio programmes, but a real platform for UK startups to become world beaters. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Animated debate at TechCrunch UK around Mike Butcher&#8217;s call for &#8220;turning the BBC into a platform that UK startup technology companies can work on and with&#8221;:the best way the BBC can now allay any fears about its market dominance is by building a platform for innovation. Not a policy &#8211; a real platform. With APIs even.That way we&#8217;ll get our money/value back &#8211; and the BBC can start to give something back, not just TV and radio programmes, but a real platform for UK startups to become world beaters. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Butcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Butcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 15:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian - (Forgot to mention) Yes, the BBC is not the only body that’s ever had an overspend of that size and yes, ITV is also in the hole. But the BBC seems to be the only one where no-one gets fired, and the budget gets increased. Now THAT&#039;s creative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian &#8211; (Forgot to mention) Yes, the BBC is not the only body that’s ever had an overspend of that size and yes, ITV is also in the hole. But the BBC seems to be the only one where no-one gets fired, and the budget gets increased. Now THAT&#8217;s creative.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Butcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Butcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 15:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian Betteridge - First off, I&#039;m not going to apologise for trying to kick start this debate about how the BBC could tick more than just the Reithian box of inform, educate and entertain, but also power innovation. Second - who says the BBC has to give their platform away for free? Perhaps they could monetise their platform at the same time? We are just at the beginning of this debate. There are lots of possibilities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian Betteridge &#8211; First off, I&#8217;m not going to apologise for trying to kick start this debate about how the BBC could tick more than just the Reithian box of inform, educate and entertain, but also power innovation. Second &#8211; who says the BBC has to give their platform away for free? Perhaps they could monetise their platform at the same time? We are just at the beginning of this debate. There are lots of possibilities.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart Pinfold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuart Pinfold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 14:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick Bell said:
&quot;I would be very interested to see the comparison in budget for BBC iplayer and ITV’s catch up service. I would bet my licence fee on ITV coming in far, far less.&quot;

Have you ever tried using the ITV.com catch-up service on Firefox?

Here&#039;s my (small) contribution - a map of BBC correspondents with RSS feeds of their name and location:
http://www.stuart-pinfold.co.uk/bits/corrmap/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick Bell said:<br />
&#8220;I would be very interested to see the comparison in budget for BBC iplayer and ITV’s catch up service. I would bet my licence fee on ITV coming in far, far less.&#8221;</p>
<p>Have you ever tried using the ITV.com catch-up service on Firefox?</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s my (small) contribution &#8211; a map of BBC correspondents with RSS feeds of their name and location:<br />
<a href="http://www.stuart-pinfold.co.uk/bits/corrmap/" rel="nofollow">http://www.stuart-pinfold.co.uk/bits/corrmap/</a></p>
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		<title>By: steve ballmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve ballmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 14:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brittish - innovation?


lol</description>
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<p>lol</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Betteridge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Betteridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 14:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, the way you phrase it makes it sound like the BBC is the only body that&#039;s ever had an overspend of that size. I&#039;d suggest you spend some time working in a few corporations and find out how common poor budgeting like that is. I suggest you start with, say, ITV... 

Other than that, Steve has made pretty-much every point I would have made, but (as usual) better :)

One point I would add, though, is that the BBC is, to a certain extent, already a platform via the various backstage projects. Of course, those are basically usable under non-commercial terms, which means that startups can&#039;t just take the data and run.

But what&#039;s wrong with that? After all, companies don&#039;t pay (many) license fees - ordinary citizens do. If the BBC gives its content/data away to commercial entities to exploit, it&#039;s missing out on revenue opportunities, which means it&#039;s not maximising value to the license fee payer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, the way you phrase it makes it sound like the BBC is the only body that&#8217;s ever had an overspend of that size. I&#8217;d suggest you spend some time working in a few corporations and find out how common poor budgeting like that is. I suggest you start with, say, ITV&#8230; </p>
<p>Other than that, Steve has made pretty-much every point I would have made, but (as usual) better <img src='http://eu.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>One point I would add, though, is that the BBC is, to a certain extent, already a platform via the various backstage projects. Of course, those are basically usable under non-commercial terms, which means that startups can&#8217;t just take the data and run.</p>
<p>But what&#8217;s wrong with that? After all, companies don&#8217;t pay (many) license fees &#8211; ordinary citizens do. If the BBC gives its content/data away to commercial entities to exploit, it&#8217;s missing out on revenue opportunities, which means it&#8217;s not maximising value to the license fee payer.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Butcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Butcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 12:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve Bowbrick - Great points. Good idea. I will see if I can put something together.</description>
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