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	<title>Comments on: A firm tries to patent online wish lists in Europe. Shall we stop them?</title>
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		<title>By: A Blog Network</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/07/23/a-firm-tries-to-patent-online-wish-lists-in-europe-shall-we-stop-them/comment-page-1/#comment-167188</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article, firms can never really patent stuff like this, thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article, firms can never really patent stuff like this, thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Geert Bevin</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/07/23/a-firm-tries-to-patent-online-wish-lists-in-europe-shall-we-stop-them/comment-page-1/#comment-147816</link>
		<dc:creator>Geert Bevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks a lot blundstone, I included your link in my latest blog post about the issue: http://rifers.org/blogs/gbevin/2008/7/24/channel_intelligence_european</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks a lot blundstone, I included your link in my latest blog post about the issue: <a href="http://rifers.org/blogs/gbevin/2008/7/24/channel_intelligence_european" rel="nofollow">http://rifers.org/blogs/gbevin/2008/7/24/channel_intelligence_european</a></p>
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		<title>By: blundstone</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/07/23/a-firm-tries-to-patent-online-wish-lists-in-europe-shall-we-stop-them/comment-page-1/#comment-147764</link>
		<dc:creator>blundstone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ha, I sent the patent office an email and they pointed me to a link here:

http://www.epo.org/patents/law/legal-texts/html/epc/2000/e/ar115.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ha, I sent the patent office an email and they pointed me to a link here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.epo.org/patents/law/legal-texts/html/epc/2000/e/ar115.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.epo.org/patents/law/legal-texts/html/epc/2000/e/ar115.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: George Black</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/07/23/a-firm-tries-to-patent-online-wish-lists-in-europe-shall-we-stop-them/comment-page-1/#comment-147760</link>
		<dc:creator>George Black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This almost seems like a joke, I thought lawyers were meant to check their facts. If so they would know about software patents in Europe.

Maybe this is what they do over the summer quiet period - harass start-ups.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This almost seems like a joke, I thought lawyers were meant to check their facts. If so they would know about software patents in Europe.</p>
<p>Maybe this is what they do over the summer quiet period &#8211; harass start-ups.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Butcher</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/07/23/a-firm-tries-to-patent-online-wish-lists-in-europe-shall-we-stop-them/comment-page-1/#comment-147528</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Butcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geert - Thanks I have corrected the link.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geert &#8211; Thanks I have corrected the link.</p>
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		<title>By: Guy Dickinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guy Dickinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even in the US, wouldn&#039;t the prior art of creating an &#039;online&#039; shopping list in a computer back in 1968 render this patent irrelevant? 

I&#039;m of course referring to Doug Engelbart&#039;s infamous &#039;mother of all demos&#039; in 1968, usefully captured on video:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8734787622017763097

There&#039;s a clear example of list making in a computer display environment (networked, no less)

I&#039;m no lawyer, so maybe I&#039;m missing something here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even in the US, wouldn&#8217;t the prior art of creating an &#8216;online&#8217; shopping list in a computer back in 1968 render this patent irrelevant? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m of course referring to Doug Engelbart&#8217;s infamous &#8216;mother of all demos&#8217; in 1968, usefully captured on video:</p>
<p><a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8734787622017763097" rel="nofollow">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8734787622017763097</a></p>
<p>There&#8217;s a clear example of list making in a computer display environment (networked, no less)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m no lawyer, so maybe I&#8217;m missing something here?</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If this really is about making a point about the patent system, they should be overt about it and call it a test case.

I was looking for a company like Channel Intelligence but I think I&#039;ll check out competitors instead.

There is such thing as bad publicity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this really is about making a point about the patent system, they should be overt about it and call it a test case.</p>
<p>I was looking for a company like Channel Intelligence but I think I&#8217;ll check out competitors instead.</p>
<p>There is such thing as bad publicity.</p>
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		<title>By: Geert Bevin</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/07/23/a-firm-tries-to-patent-online-wish-lists-in-europe-shall-we-stop-them/comment-page-1/#comment-147504</link>
		<dc:creator>Geert Bevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mike,

thanks a lot for posting this article, this is the kind of exposure we need.

Small correction to the &quot;is still under examination link&quot; which should point to http://register1.epoline.org/espacenet/regviewer?AP=02806291&amp;CY=EP&amp;LG=en&amp;DB=REG

I shortened it artificially in the visible text of my blogpost, so you probably copied the shortened version instead of the unwieldy longer one.

Kind regards,

Geert</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mike,</p>
<p>thanks a lot for posting this article, this is the kind of exposure we need.</p>
<p>Small correction to the &#8220;is still under examination link&#8221; which should point to <a href="http://register1.epoline.org/espacenet/regviewer?AP=02806291&amp;CY=EP&amp;LG=en&amp;DB=REG" rel="nofollow">http://register1.epoline.org/espacenet/regviewer?AP=02806291&amp;CY=EP&amp;LG=en&amp;DB=REG</a></p>
<p>I shortened it artificially in the visible text of my blogpost, so you probably copied the shortened version instead of the unwieldy longer one.</p>
<p>Kind regards,</p>
<p>Geert</p>
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		<title>By: johan rhodin</title>
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		<dc:creator>johan rhodin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting story I wonder what this will mean for the big guys (amazon etc) with wish lists and for us small people (like me, translating+launching the turkish/german wish 2.0 site http://ichwuer.de/ in swedish). And thanks for the beers yesterday!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting story I wonder what this will mean for the big guys (amazon etc) with wish lists and for us small people (like me, translating+launching the turkish/german wish 2.0 site <a href="http://ichwuer.de/" rel="nofollow">http://ichwuer.de/</a> in swedish). And thanks for the beers yesterday!</p>
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		<title>By: Toonight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toonight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>7./ get automated Wish List spell checker to correct typos in point 6:)
 
6./ get Americans to keep the patent for stupid software patents and stop their IP madness boat on our European shores.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>7./ get automated Wish List spell checker to correct typos in point 6:)</p>
<p>6./ get Americans to keep the patent for stupid software patents and stop their IP madness boat on our European shores.</p>
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		<title>By: Toonight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toonight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mike, I am afraid you&#039;re in legal trouble too now, as I just converted your comment-feature into a nifty Wishlist plugin :)

My Wishlist:
1./ be over-creative, not over-protective
2./ stop software patents in the EU
3./ stop software patents in the rest of the universe
4./ create real jobs for intellectual property lawyers
5./ add value with operational excellence and first mover advantage
6./ Get Americans to keep the patent for stuped software patents and stop their IP madness boot on our European shores.

Feel free to use this great wishlist feature on Techcrunch too :)

Cheers,

Toon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mike, I am afraid you&#8217;re in legal trouble too now, as I just converted your comment-feature into a nifty Wishlist plugin <img src='http://eu.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>My Wishlist:<br />
1./ be over-creative, not over-protective<br />
2./ stop software patents in the EU<br />
3./ stop software patents in the rest of the universe<br />
4./ create real jobs for intellectual property lawyers<br />
5./ add value with operational excellence and first mover advantage<br />
6./ Get Americans to keep the patent for stuped software patents and stop their IP madness boot on our European shores.</p>
<p>Feel free to use this great wishlist feature on Techcrunch too <img src='http://eu.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Toon</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It may be possible to sue them for saying they have a patent when they don&#039;t.

&quot;Fraudulent use of the patent pending warning is prohibited by the law of many countries and inventors should be cautious when marking products or methods that may arguably not be covered by any pending patent application. In some jurisdictions, such as the UK, a warning notice should ideally mention the number of the pending application&quot; - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent_pending

Not sure how this works in practice. But then again, not sure how software patents work in practice.

Suing others for software patent violations is a sign of business failure.
Channel Intelligence should be embarrassed and retract their silly cases before it&#039;s too late.

It&#039;s innovation not litigation, stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It may be possible to sue them for saying they have a patent when they don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>&#8220;Fraudulent use of the patent pending warning is prohibited by the law of many countries and inventors should be cautious when marking products or methods that may arguably not be covered by any pending patent application. In some jurisdictions, such as the UK, a warning notice should ideally mention the number of the pending application&#8221; &#8211; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent_pending" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent_pending</a></p>
<p>Not sure how this works in practice. But then again, not sure how software patents work in practice.</p>
<p>Suing others for software patent violations is a sign of business failure.<br />
Channel Intelligence should be embarrassed and retract their silly cases before it&#8217;s too late.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s innovation not litigation, stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Haffling</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Haffling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

I work with a client who is interested in some visibility on your
website http://uk.techcrunch.com/. They work in a similar niche and provides hardware reviews to their users. They are interested in getting a short mention from your website, maybe about a product or about their site.

Let me know if you are interested so we can discuss the price for this.

Regards,

Jay Haffling</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I work with a client who is interested in some visibility on your<br />
website <a href="http://uk.techcrunch.com/" rel="nofollow">http://uk.techcrunch.com/</a>. They work in a similar niche and provides hardware reviews to their users. They are interested in getting a short mention from your website, maybe about a product or about their site.</p>
<p>Let me know if you are interested so we can discuss the price for this.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Jay Haffling</p>
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		<title>By: Robleh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robleh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s probably no need as Business Method/Software patents are not recognised in Europe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s probably no need as Business Method/Software patents are not recognised in Europe.</p>
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