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	<title>Comments on: Is this £1bn from NESTA &#8216;new&#8217; money? Will private equity really join in? And why is NESTA not answering their email?</title>
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		<title>By: Guest post: An Open Letter to Alistair Darling and Lord Drayson: Put £100,000 into 10,000 startups</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guest post: An Open Letter to Alistair Darling and Lord Drayson: Put £100,000 into 10,000 startups</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 08:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] who knows about early stage tech startup funding in Europe, it&#8217;s Klein. It chimes in with my post last year that the UK government should make sure funds are channeled to into many more startups [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] who knows about early stage tech startup funding in Europe, it&#8217;s Klein. It chimes in with my post last year that the UK government should make sure funds are channeled to into many more startups [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The future of venture capital &#124; The Equity Kicker</title>
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		<dc:creator>The future of venture capital &#124; The Equity Kicker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 10:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Further, our governments will come through with their own stimulus packages - remember the £1bn for UK starups from before Xmas? and just this morning I was reading of David Cameron&#8217;s plans to create a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Further, our governments will come through with their own stimulus packages &#8211; remember the £1bn for UK starups from before Xmas? and just this morning I was reading of David Cameron&#8217;s plans to create a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: corpocosmic</title>
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		<dc:creator>corpocosmic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 20:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had the &#039;NESTA experience&#039; back in 2000, attempting to gain funding for a paradigm shift project that I had worked on for seven years.  
Although I believed I met 80% of the criteria in their mission statement, when I went through the submission process it became apparent by the leading questions, that my project was probably outside of their box.  The irony of this dismayed me. 

After the rejection, I had an exchange of emails with the director to see if it was worth trying for another source of funds, their &#039;fellowship&#039;.  I was told that I needed to know someone in his list of referees, but he refused to reveal even one nearby name who I could approach, to begin validating the work and the connected science. I should have seen a clue in the title.

Eventually having got nowhere in getting the necessary help, I had to effectively reduce my costs, so I left the UK in 2002.  

I remain with it and convinced of the power and potential of results that will come, so I struggle on in day jobs.  I now also have the added burden of translating it into French to gain funding/recognition.  Being English - and knowing how the French react - I am saddened that any future credit for launching the work will probably be claimed by France.    

Of course, NESTA is not directly responsible for my challenges (I have a list of institutions, organisations and people that weren&#039;t able to hear), however it was publicly stated at its inception that it was there to avoid the brain-drain. Having listened to the above-mentioned mp3 speech given by a Lord, it saddens me to speculate whether you still need to know someone in the establishment to live and innovate in the UK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had the &#8216;NESTA experience&#8217; back in 2000, attempting to gain funding for a paradigm shift project that I had worked on for seven years.<br />
Although I believed I met 80% of the criteria in their mission statement, when I went through the submission process it became apparent by the leading questions, that my project was probably outside of their box.  The irony of this dismayed me. </p>
<p>After the rejection, I had an exchange of emails with the director to see if it was worth trying for another source of funds, their &#8216;fellowship&#8217;.  I was told that I needed to know someone in his list of referees, but he refused to reveal even one nearby name who I could approach, to begin validating the work and the connected science. I should have seen a clue in the title.</p>
<p>Eventually having got nowhere in getting the necessary help, I had to effectively reduce my costs, so I left the UK in 2002.  </p>
<p>I remain with it and convinced of the power and potential of results that will come, so I struggle on in day jobs.  I now also have the added burden of translating it into French to gain funding/recognition.  Being English &#8211; and knowing how the French react &#8211; I am saddened that any future credit for launching the work will probably be claimed by France.    </p>
<p>Of course, NESTA is not directly responsible for my challenges (I have a list of institutions, organisations and people that weren&#8217;t able to hear), however it was publicly stated at its inception that it was there to avoid the brain-drain. Having listened to the above-mentioned mp3 speech given by a Lord, it saddens me to speculate whether you still need to know someone in the establishment to live and innovate in the UK.</p>
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		<title>By: European Startups are not out to lunch - My speech at Le Web</title>
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		<dc:creator>European Startups are not out to lunch - My speech at Le Web</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] looking to support small startup businesses as the engines or innovation, as evidence by recent offical recommendations to the UK government. While the US government bails out failing industries, European governments continue to hand out [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] looking to support small startup businesses as the engines or innovation, as evidence by recent offical recommendations to the UK government. While the US government bails out failing industries, European governments continue to hand out [...]</p>
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		<title>By: What won&#8217;t happen in 2009 - and what might &#124; Online Journalism Blog</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/12/08/is-this-1bn-from-nesta-new-money-will-private-equity-really-join-in-and-why-is-nesta-not-answering-their-email/comment-page-1/#comment-189068</link>
		<dc:creator>What won&#8217;t happen in 2009 - and what might &#124; Online Journalism Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 08:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] where funds are beginning to appear that enable them to act on those. In the UK at least there is £1billion from NESTA, £50m from 4iP, £1m from the Scottish government and various other pots of money aimed at [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] where funds are beginning to appear that enable them to act on those. In the UK at least there is £1billion from NESTA, £50m from 4iP, £1m from the Scottish government and various other pots of money aimed at [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Web 2.0 Ireland &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Should Government get involved with VCs ?</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/12/08/is-this-1bn-from-nesta-new-money-will-private-equity-really-join-in-and-why-is-nesta-not-answering-their-email/comment-page-1/#comment-188702</link>
		<dc:creator>Web 2.0 Ireland &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Should Government get involved with VCs ?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a £1bn emergency venture capital fund aimed at pre-revenue technology start-up firms - and the follow on discussion - We&#8217;d like to hear from Web2Ireland companies who have raised monies from these EI backed [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a £1bn emergency venture capital fund aimed at pre-revenue technology start-up firms &#8211; and the follow on discussion &#8211; We&#8217;d like to hear from Web2Ireland companies who have raised monies from these EI backed [...]</p>
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		<title>By: RickWaghorn</title>
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		<dc:creator>RickWaghorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>has anyone got experience of approaching nesta - any tips?

I went to NESTA in the summer - motto &#039;making innovation flourish...&#039; and was told that our thoughts on MyLocalWriter.com, a DIY self-service advertising system called Addiply etc etc was &#039;beyond their area of experience and expertise...&#039;

Fortunately, albeit for a different project and strictly of the &#039;pilot&#039; variety - 4iP have ridden to the rescue as &#039;backchat&#039; becomes the first idea to pop out of their back door having gone through the full submissions process; and all in about 4-6 weeks. So, credit where credit is due.

But given, for many of us big and small, time is of the essence right now, pinning your hope on a NESTA, an EEDA, an EEMA, a ScreenEast, a Norfolk Business Link, etc, etc... is fraught with peril.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>has anyone got experience of approaching nesta &#8211; any tips?</p>
<p>I went to NESTA in the summer &#8211; motto &#8216;making innovation flourish&#8230;&#8217; and was told that our thoughts on MyLocalWriter.com, a DIY self-service advertising system called Addiply etc etc was &#8216;beyond their area of experience and expertise&#8230;&#8217;</p>
<p>Fortunately, albeit for a different project and strictly of the &#8216;pilot&#8217; variety &#8211; 4iP have ridden to the rescue as &#8216;backchat&#8217; becomes the first idea to pop out of their back door having gone through the full submissions process; and all in about 4-6 weeks. So, credit where credit is due.</p>
<p>But given, for many of us big and small, time is of the essence right now, pinning your hope on a NESTA, an EEDA, an EEMA, a ScreenEast, a Norfolk Business Link, etc, etc&#8230; is fraught with peril.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Jens states, this is the current status quo and it simply does not work.

This money should go into a real SBIR system to fund start ups (in the true sense) with sales.

Points to avoid at all costs;

- matching funds, you raise 100k we give you 100k (if you can do that you dont need their money)

- Research only grants, this money must be available to fund products that can be sold, no restrictions

- Funding dying companies to do a research project (as I like to call it the &quot;fund the MDs new Jag grant&quot;)

- Funding social schemes, they have their place but not here

Things to look for;

- Fund entrepreneurs, not universities IP departments

- Fund the entrepreneurs most likely to succeed, not those that make the best political news stories</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Jens states, this is the current status quo and it simply does not work.</p>
<p>This money should go into a real SBIR system to fund start ups (in the true sense) with sales.</p>
<p>Points to avoid at all costs;</p>
<p>- matching funds, you raise 100k we give you 100k (if you can do that you dont need their money)</p>
<p>- Research only grants, this money must be available to fund products that can be sold, no restrictions</p>
<p>- Funding dying companies to do a research project (as I like to call it the &#8220;fund the MDs new Jag grant&#8221;)</p>
<p>- Funding social schemes, they have their place but not here</p>
<p>Things to look for;</p>
<p>- Fund entrepreneurs, not universities IP departments</p>
<p>- Fund the entrepreneurs most likely to succeed, not those that make the best political news stories</p>
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		<title>By: James Adams</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds great, but I can&#039;t help being cyncial about this, we&#039;ll see I guess...

If this is done in conjunction with a complete shake up of the useless BusinessLink system, then great also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds great, but I can&#8217;t help being cyncial about this, we&#8217;ll see I guess&#8230;</p>
<p>If this is done in conjunction with a complete shake up of the useless BusinessLink system, then great also.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Storey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Storey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent discussion.  Must admit I&#039;m a little skeptical of whether this money&#039;s going to materialise, though.  Moreover, from the parameters described in their documents, I would anticipate most of this funding going into bioscience, materials and clean energy.  All these sectors have longer development times, larger capital requirements and are more pure-science based (and are therefore more speculative) than most TechCrunch businesses.  In the web - software sector, I still see plenty of deals going down in that range, while very early stage is harsher than ever, so hope that fact is recognised.

I&#039;ve just posted on the the TechLondon blog some more perspective on how policy and support should work in tandem with private capital:

http://techlondon.org/

However, nobody seems to have mentioned that this proposed NESTA investment is a long way from being the main event.  A hell of a lot of support for business is out there, and has been for some time.  I don&#039;t have a £ figure, but there are something like 3,000 schemes out there for small business.  As the result of a policy review started three years ago, these schemes are being centralised and simplified over the next three months, with the objective of making support more effective.  Full details here:

http://www.berr.gov.uk/whatwedo/enterprise/simplifyingbusinesssupport/page44805.html

This will be delivered by (yes you guessed it) BusinessLink, and is a fundamental shakeup.  Hopefully our industry will finally get some recognition and the specialist support it needs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent discussion.  Must admit I&#8217;m a little skeptical of whether this money&#8217;s going to materialise, though.  Moreover, from the parameters described in their documents, I would anticipate most of this funding going into bioscience, materials and clean energy.  All these sectors have longer development times, larger capital requirements and are more pure-science based (and are therefore more speculative) than most TechCrunch businesses.  In the web &#8211; software sector, I still see plenty of deals going down in that range, while very early stage is harsher than ever, so hope that fact is recognised.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve just posted on the the TechLondon blog some more perspective on how policy and support should work in tandem with private capital:</p>
<p><a href="http://techlondon.org/" rel="nofollow">http://techlondon.org/</a></p>
<p>However, nobody seems to have mentioned that this proposed NESTA investment is a long way from being the main event.  A hell of a lot of support for business is out there, and has been for some time.  I don&#8217;t have a £ figure, but there are something like 3,000 schemes out there for small business.  As the result of a policy review started three years ago, these schemes are being centralised and simplified over the next three months, with the objective of making support more effective.  Full details here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.berr.gov.uk/whatwedo/enterprise/simplifyingbusinesssupport/page44805.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.berr.gov.uk/whatwedo/enterprise/simplifyingbusinesssupport/page44805.html</a></p>
<p>This will be delivered by (yes you guessed it) BusinessLink, and is a fundamental shakeup.  Hopefully our industry will finally get some recognition and the specialist support it needs.</p>
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		<title>By: sam d</title>
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		<dc:creator>sam d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>has anyone got experience of approaching nesta - any tips? If new funds awesome but hope they dont blow it on &quot;social&quot; ideas from people who have no clue how to monetise anything. 

also what about web 2.0 graveyard - that must be getting pretty packed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>has anyone got experience of approaching nesta &#8211; any tips? If new funds awesome but hope they dont blow it on &#8220;social&#8221; ideas from people who have no clue how to monetise anything. </p>
<p>also what about web 2.0 graveyard &#8211; that must be getting pretty packed!</p>
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		<title>By: Crowds Are No Wiser Than They Ever Have Been &#124; WOWNDADI</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2008/12/08/is-this-1bn-from-nesta-new-money-will-private-equity-really-join-in-and-why-is-nesta-not-answering-their-email/comment-page-1/#comment-188011</link>
		<dc:creator>Crowds Are No Wiser Than They Ever Have Been &#124; WOWNDADI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] one: &#8221;How does the government support technology start-ups in a downturn?&#8221; and the one on TechCrunch UK), and we can read around a topic, rather than taking just one person&#8217;s opinion. No-one ever [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] one: &#8221;How does the government support technology start-ups in a downturn?&#8221; and the one on TechCrunch UK), and we can read around a topic, rather than taking just one person&#8217;s opinion. No-one ever [...]</p>
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		<title>By: www.liginmaclari.blogcu.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>www.liginmaclari.blogcu.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://liginmaclari.blogcu.com/10-aralik-carsamba-dinamo-kiev-fenerbahce-sampiyonlar-ligi-macinin-golleri-dinamo-kiev-fenerbahce-sampiyonlar-ligi-macinin-gollerini-izle-dinamo-kiev-fenerbahce-sampiyonlar-ligi-macinin-gollerin-ozet-goruntuleri_30773341.html</description>
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		<title>By: £175k for any UK mobile startup that wants it? &#124; Mobile Industry Review</title>
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		<dc:creator>£175k for any UK mobile startup that wants it? &#124; Mobile Industry Review</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 10:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Butcher over at TechCrunch UK has written a good overview of a £1bn investment in the tech sector announced by the UK Government at the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: A nice NestaEgg (sic - sorry!)</title>
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		<dc:creator>A nice NestaEgg (sic - sorry!)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 09:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Much of this speculation can be seen in the comments on TechCrunchUK. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Much of this speculation can be seen in the comments on TechCrunchUK. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Beard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Beard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 01:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am reading this as 9 zeros not 12.

It is easy to look on small investments as sufficient in the Tech field when there is an incredible infrastructure of support.
Without that support already in place, then frequently cutting corners leads to inefficiencies in execution.
You can invest a small amount in a brilliant team for a great idea and it will still pay off, but more money would certainly bring that about faster.

The Dragon&#039;s Den is an interesting phenomenen because of the wonderful synergies the Dragon&#039;s bring to the businesses they invest in, which is probably more added value than a typical angel or VC arrangement.
On the Dragon&#039;s Den, it is never a case that only 10% of the businesses make money, to compensate for the rest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am reading this as 9 zeros not 12.</p>
<p>It is easy to look on small investments as sufficient in the Tech field when there is an incredible infrastructure of support.<br />
Without that support already in place, then frequently cutting corners leads to inefficiencies in execution.<br />
You can invest a small amount in a brilliant team for a great idea and it will still pay off, but more money would certainly bring that about faster.</p>
<p>The Dragon&#8217;s Den is an interesting phenomenen because of the wonderful synergies the Dragon&#8217;s bring to the businesses they invest in, which is probably more added value than a typical angel or VC arrangement.<br />
On the Dragon&#8217;s Den, it is never a case that only 10% of the businesses make money, to compensate for the rest.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Destin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Destin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 20:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Judge and party is not good corporate governance.  Matched funding is not a bad idea, a short-term rescue fund may help us deal with market disclocation.  I was on a plane so missed my chance to comment meaningfully and wrote my own angry blurb :-)  A great time to waste public money !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Judge and party is not good corporate governance.  Matched funding is not a bad idea, a short-term rescue fund may help us deal with market disclocation.  I was on a plane so missed my chance to comment meaningfully and wrote my own angry blurb <img src='http://eu.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   A great time to waste public money !</p>
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		<title>By: Paris, PLV! - Paul Carr: True Confessions of a New Media Whore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paris, PLV! - Paul Carr: True Confessions of a New Media Whore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] months are going to be interesting for journalists covering the web industry, especially after the announcement from Nesta. A billion pounds in funding for startups. Very exciting, the fact that it&#8217;s all a load of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] months are going to be interesting for journalists covering the web industry, especially after the announcement from Nesta. A billion pounds in funding for startups. Very exciting, the fact that it&#8217;s all a load of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Markwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Markwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Following on from &quot;put this cash into beta startups. Put £175,000 into 8 million startups not £2m into a few thousand.&quot;  I think there would be value in slicing this even further into £25K chunks.

An approach to making this workable might be to first invest in the creation of some standardised open source legal docs.  These ones available to US startups are designed to be balanced fairly for investors and founders:  http://www.ycombinator.com/seriesaa.html

NESTA could then agree to match or provide 2/3 of a first round of investment when an angel agrees to invest on those terms.  The angels would do the job of assessing the viability of the start up and none of the investment cash would need to be wasted on admin or legal fees.  Later rounds of investment from the same fund would also be far easier and cheaper as all the legal work could be standardised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Following on from &#8220;put this cash into beta startups. Put £175,000 into 8 million startups not £2m into a few thousand.&#8221;  I think there would be value in slicing this even further into £25K chunks.</p>
<p>An approach to making this workable might be to first invest in the creation of some standardised open source legal docs.  These ones available to US startups are designed to be balanced fairly for investors and founders:  <a href="http://www.ycombinator.com/seriesaa.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ycombinator.com/seriesaa.html</a></p>
<p>NESTA could then agree to match or provide 2/3 of a first round of investment when an angel agrees to invest on those terms.  The angels would do the job of assessing the viability of the start up and none of the investment cash would need to be wasted on admin or legal fees.  Later rounds of investment from the same fund would also be far easier and cheaper as all the legal work could be standardised.</p>
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		<title>By: Danvers Baillieu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danvers Baillieu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As much as I would like to see tech start ups get a helping hand to get off to the races, I am not sure I want to be funding this through my taxes.  For a start, what would be the cost of making 80,000 separate investments, let alone 8 million.  The questions asked of the LDA, Lee Jasper et al demonstrate how hard it is for publicly funded bodies to write cheques to small private enterprises.  The best investors are private individuals and institutions who are risking their own cash.

Much better for the whole economy would be measures to make it easier for companies to offer employment - e.g. cut in the rate of employers&#039; National Insurance contributions (currently 12.5%), make it easier for people who are made redundant by increasing the tax free allowance on redundancy payments (currently approx £30k) , or make it easier to buy and sell companies by abolishing stamp duty on share transfers.

I&#039;m also in favour of government backed schemes such as G2i, whose mission is to provide specialist and targetted information and training, or UKTI initiatives to assist companies build export opportunities, as these are not easily replicated in the private sector.  

I know capitalism is rapidly going out of fashion right now, but remember one of the three biggest lies is: &quot;I&#039;m from the government and I&#039;m here to help&quot; after &quot;the cheque&#039;s in the post&quot; and &quot;I&#039;ll respect you in the morning&quot;.  

*note, I am excluding social purpose start-ups from this, where the public sector clearly has a bigger role to play*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As much as I would like to see tech start ups get a helping hand to get off to the races, I am not sure I want to be funding this through my taxes.  For a start, what would be the cost of making 80,000 separate investments, let alone 8 million.  The questions asked of the LDA, Lee Jasper et al demonstrate how hard it is for publicly funded bodies to write cheques to small private enterprises.  The best investors are private individuals and institutions who are risking their own cash.</p>
<p>Much better for the whole economy would be measures to make it easier for companies to offer employment &#8211; e.g. cut in the rate of employers&#8217; National Insurance contributions (currently 12.5%), make it easier for people who are made redundant by increasing the tax free allowance on redundancy payments (currently approx £30k) , or make it easier to buy and sell companies by abolishing stamp duty on share transfers.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also in favour of government backed schemes such as G2i, whose mission is to provide specialist and targetted information and training, or UKTI initiatives to assist companies build export opportunities, as these are not easily replicated in the private sector.  </p>
<p>I know capitalism is rapidly going out of fashion right now, but remember one of the three biggest lies is: &#8220;I&#8217;m from the government and I&#8217;m here to help&#8221; after &#8220;the cheque&#8217;s in the post&#8221; and &#8220;I&#8217;ll respect you in the morning&#8221;.  </p>
<p>*note, I am excluding social purpose start-ups from this, where the public sector clearly has a bigger role to play*</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Michel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Michel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>£250,000 as a minimum investment is too high.

I think a bunch of early-stage companies would be able to develop working prototypes and better understand feasibility with a fraction of this.

Not saying that there aren&#039;t plenty of companies that would benefit from this level of funding, either, but earlier-stage investments are needed, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>£250,000 as a minimum investment is too high.</p>
<p>I think a bunch of early-stage companies would be able to develop working prototypes and better understand feasibility with a fraction of this.</p>
<p>Not saying that there aren&#8217;t plenty of companies that would benefit from this level of funding, either, but earlier-stage investments are needed, too.</p>
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		<title>By: fellowcreative</title>
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		<dc:creator>fellowcreative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some really great points made above and I&#039;m definately in support of &quot;Put £175,000 into 8 million startups not £2m into a few thousand&quot; but I will shout this from the rooftops: it doesn&#039;t matter to me whether this opportunity is born from new money or old, it exists!, what matters is what it is actually for.

The Nick Mathiason Guardian.co.uk story suggests it is to &quot;Throw a lifeline to technology start-up firms&quot; but I&#039;m trying to get my head around if this is to kickstart the economy or deliver &#039;true&#039; and &#039;positive&#039; innovation for the future. With innovation and creativity come &#039;mistakes&#039; and &#039;lessons to learn from&#039; - the more ideas you back the better the odds of a winner - a quick financial return is less likely - but more lessons will be learned and more possibilities are likely to be generated.

Funding technologies that fuel lifestyle product development and sales is likely to support the economy short-term (and entice the traditional Bank/VC tickbox for investment) but I fail to see how it might solve anything in the long-term.

Funding technologies and startups for positive social change and &#039;environmentally&#039; clean technologies is a more sustainable investment but its less likely to match up to the traditional &#039;white colar&#039; investment vs financial return measurables.

Seedcamp is a fantastic launchpad for Startups but from what I&#039;ve seen even it runs under the traditional financial model of &#039;investment vs financial return&#039;.

I suggest that true innovation comes from belief and passion, not financial gain - if you offer a company £500,000 to develop an idea they will flitter it away on wages, overheads and bells and whistles, if you offer the right person £100,000 they will live in tent, make it work, user test it, and prepare it for VC investment.

I simply ask - will investment feasibility be determined by £ or value ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some really great points made above and I&#8217;m definately in support of &#8220;Put £175,000 into 8 million startups not £2m into a few thousand&#8221; but I will shout this from the rooftops: it doesn&#8217;t matter to me whether this opportunity is born from new money or old, it exists!, what matters is what it is actually for.</p>
<p>The Nick Mathiason Guardian.co.uk story suggests it is to &#8220;Throw a lifeline to technology start-up firms&#8221; but I&#8217;m trying to get my head around if this is to kickstart the economy or deliver &#8216;true&#8217; and &#8216;positive&#8217; innovation for the future. With innovation and creativity come &#8216;mistakes&#8217; and &#8216;lessons to learn from&#8217; &#8211; the more ideas you back the better the odds of a winner &#8211; a quick financial return is less likely &#8211; but more lessons will be learned and more possibilities are likely to be generated.</p>
<p>Funding technologies that fuel lifestyle product development and sales is likely to support the economy short-term (and entice the traditional Bank/VC tickbox for investment) but I fail to see how it might solve anything in the long-term.</p>
<p>Funding technologies and startups for positive social change and &#8216;environmentally&#8217; clean technologies is a more sustainable investment but its less likely to match up to the traditional &#8216;white colar&#8217; investment vs financial return measurables.</p>
<p>Seedcamp is a fantastic launchpad for Startups but from what I&#8217;ve seen even it runs under the traditional financial model of &#8216;investment vs financial return&#8217;.</p>
<p>I suggest that true innovation comes from belief and passion, not financial gain &#8211; if you offer a company £500,000 to develop an idea they will flitter it away on wages, overheads and bells and whistles, if you offer the right person £100,000 they will live in tent, make it work, user test it, and prepare it for VC investment.</p>
<p>I simply ask &#8211; will investment feasibility be determined by £ or value ?</p>
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		<title>By: Roland Harwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roland Harwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@dan and sicamp too btw.

As Chani says above, it’s worth clarifying that it’s not ‘our fund’ per se rather the suggestion emerged from a report we published last Thursday, called ‘Attacking the Recession’. We also called for the Government to accelerate the connection of the entire country to ultra-fast broadband but that didn’t get picked up as widely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@dan and sicamp too btw.</p>
<p>As Chani says above, it’s worth clarifying that it’s not ‘our fund’ per se rather the suggestion emerged from a report we published last Thursday, called ‘Attacking the Recession’. We also called for the Government to accelerate the connection of the entire country to ultra-fast broadband but that didn’t get picked up as widely.</p>
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		<title>By: Robleh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robleh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 13:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be fair to NESTA they do already back Seedcamp.</description>
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		<title>By: Jens</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 13:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam,

most of what you suggest has been done for years. It has pretty much all failed. It sounds good, but it doesn&#039;t work. For example, Business Links show no determinable benefit to the business landscape. They cost us in excess of £1bn per year. The vast majority of programs aimed at SMEs that are not start-ups (meaning older companies) has failed miserably. If you are, for example, a ten year old small company and you need &#039;help&#039;, then I am sorry to say that you probably don&#039;t deserve any cash.

R&amp;D schemes for start-ups work reasonably well when they are demand-led. A good example are the US ones (e.g SBIR). Nobody in the UK government/administration that I have ever met likes these kinds of programs. They are just too much work. But they would work really well. (and there is plenty of data that proves that, too)

Direct investment programs have more or less failed the world over. I have no idea what makes people believe this will change now. Indirect investment programs (e.g. found funds that invest in start-ups_ work pretty well. But then somebody else gets all the glory and not the politicians...

Let&#039;s hope NESTA does something worthwhile with all the money. If they manage it like the £300m that they already manage, then this should quadruple their firepower. Looking forward to seeing them close that fund!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam,</p>
<p>most of what you suggest has been done for years. It has pretty much all failed. It sounds good, but it doesn&#8217;t work. For example, Business Links show no determinable benefit to the business landscape. They cost us in excess of £1bn per year. The vast majority of programs aimed at SMEs that are not start-ups (meaning older companies) has failed miserably. If you are, for example, a ten year old small company and you need &#8216;help&#8217;, then I am sorry to say that you probably don&#8217;t deserve any cash.</p>
<p>R&amp;D schemes for start-ups work reasonably well when they are demand-led. A good example are the US ones (e.g SBIR). Nobody in the UK government/administration that I have ever met likes these kinds of programs. They are just too much work. But they would work really well. (and there is plenty of data that proves that, too)</p>
<p>Direct investment programs have more or less failed the world over. I have no idea what makes people believe this will change now. Indirect investment programs (e.g. found funds that invest in start-ups_ work pretty well. But then somebody else gets all the glory and not the politicians&#8230;</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s hope NESTA does something worthwhile with all the money. If they manage it like the £300m that they already manage, then this should quadruple their firepower. Looking forward to seeing them close that fund!</p>
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