my issues do not come from what people would do now with such data but in a decades time, who is to say we dont get another Hitler in power somewhere, no one had any idea when he came to power what he would do, once laws are passed its very hard to change them, i hope we never see another Hitler in power but we have to accept it is always possible and make sure that people always have there freedoms and rights it is the only way to ensure that no one is ever allowed to do what he did to so many innocent people, hitlers campaign for the S.S police was very similar to our currant cctv campaign SAFE UNDER THE WATCHFULL EYES was a slogan used in nazi germany to promote the S.S police it is also a slogan being used all over London right now.

Aww, poor Patrick thinks his leg and his girlfriend are more important than the freedom of an entire country.

Tough shit. Stop whining you manipulative cunt. Your appeal to pity has no relevance to the debate on internet privacy. The government has no business spying on people unless they can prove they have a good reason for doing so. People like you who believe that others are innocent until proven guilty deserve no sympathy.

->Collection of all our communication data
->CCTV all over the place, even when it’s not needed
->Proposals for “By the mile charging” and “automatic speed limiter” which would mean they would have to track everywhere you drive
->Already face visit by police or even arrest if you say anything outside of the views of the ‘politically correct’ elite
->People have been arrested for legitimatly protesting against Heathrow Expansion, some guy even threatened with arrest for wearing a Transformers T-shirt
->Can no longer protest outside Parliament
->Opposition MPs arrested for disturbing the government
->Rediculous detention periods for “terrorist activity”
->Police using anti-terror laws willy-nilly and in some cases to stifle political activity (remember they guy arrested at the Labour party conference for heckling)
->Use of anti-social behaviour orders to me specific legal activities illegal for a certain person (rather than to stop low level unlawful or illegal activity)
->Use of asbo laws to introduce curfews.
->removal of double jeperdy in certain cases enabling any retrial to have the possibility to make the evidence fit the crime.
->usless ID cards (when there are compulsory ID cards you loose freedom of movement, because you can’t leave you home without it)
->DNA databases, proposals for every citizen to be on it etc.

When all the things this government are doing or allowing to happen things start to look a little sinister. Or maybe it’s because we have a Labour government and at some stage every Labour government has wanted to rule every aspects of our lives.

Next we’ll have the legally binding diet and excercise plans….

Ahhh…..sadly it’s not.

If you want people to take your arguments seriously you should try and it civil. Do you honestly expect people to say “wow, that guy can really cuss, he must be right”.

One reason your position is too simplistic is that it’s not the terrorists who are having their privacies and freedoms invaded. It’s everybody. Who is or isn’t a terrorist is decided afterwards.

Another reason your position is too simplistic is that when governments award themselves more powers it’s very hard to get them back. Governments tend not to hand back power. You’ve changed the rules for *every* subsequent generation, each of which will have its own grasping politicians.

Another reason your position is too simplistic is that you assume that only Americans understand terrorism. I live in London, which has been a terrorist target for decades. I train with Israelis, and work and socialise with Jews. You do not have (or at least haven’t revealed so far) any special insight that makes your opinion more valuable than mine.

Another reason your position is too simplistic is that our military forces have been strolling through these peoples countries for decades, installing governments, overthrowing democratic movements (Iran anyone). I’m not condoning terrorism, I never will, but I understand WHY some people in those countries resent the West. If Russia invaded Alaska for oil, the US military would fight back, but what if you didn’t have a military? Can you honestly say that individuals wouldn’t take the fight to the Russians themselves, with bombs and guerilla tactics?

From what you’ve said so far I think your position is simplistic and naive… and if all you can do is call me names and stamp your feet then you’ll prove me right.