Comments on: German bloggers’ Internet Manifesto on journalism’s future makes waves http://eu.techcrunch.com/2009/09/09/german-bloggers-internet-manifesto-on-journalisms-future-makes-waves/ Tracking European web and mobile start-ups Tue, 14 Feb 2012 01:18:52 +0000 hourly 1 By: Sonorous Ziegler http://eu.techcrunch.com/2009/09/09/german-bloggers-internet-manifesto-on-journalisms-future-makes-waves/comment-page-1/#comment-553602 Sonorous Ziegler Thu, 08 Sep 2011 12:07:00 +0000 http://uk.techcrunch.com/?p=10225#comment-553602 Internet really changes and improves journalism. For example Twitter or Facebook: when a celebrity or a politician posts updates on their pages, there is no editor to distort the message and this way we receive information directly from the person we are interested in. When people watch tv online http://watchtvonlinefree.net/ or read newspapers they mostly get biased coverage of events and false interviews... Internet really changes and improves journalism. For example Twitter or Facebook: when a celebrity or a politician posts updates on their pages, there is no editor to distort the message and this way we receive information directly from the person we are interested in.
When people watch tv online http://watchtvonlinefree.net/ or read newspapers they mostly get biased coverage of events and false interviews…

]]> By: Chair Covers London http://eu.techcrunch.com/2009/09/09/german-bloggers-internet-manifesto-on-journalisms-future-makes-waves/comment-page-1/#comment-399802 Chair Covers London Thu, 01 Jul 2010 19:22:28 +0000 http://uk.techcrunch.com/?p=10225#comment-399802 It's true, the internet has changed so much - you tend to take it for granted. Especially social networking, but how will it evolve from where we are today? thats the question It’s true, the internet has changed so much – you tend to take it for granted.
Especially social networking, but how will it evolve from where we are today?
thats the question

]]> By: 5 Star Wedding Venues http://eu.techcrunch.com/2009/09/09/german-bloggers-internet-manifesto-on-journalisms-future-makes-waves/comment-page-1/#comment-384090 5 Star Wedding Venues Sun, 13 Jun 2010 10:09:42 +0000 http://uk.techcrunch.com/?p=10225#comment-384090 Amen to that, Amen to that,

]]> By: masternewmedia.org:The One-Minute Journalist Guide To Understanding The Internet « Darkbird18's Internet InformationBlog http://eu.techcrunch.com/2009/09/09/german-bloggers-internet-manifesto-on-journalisms-future-makes-waves/comment-page-1/#comment-346510 masternewmedia.org:The One-Minute Journalist Guide To Understanding The Internet « Darkbird18's Internet InformationBlog Tue, 13 Apr 2010 02:02:55 +0000 http://uk.techcrunch.com/?p=10225#comment-346510 [...] translated into more than 15 languages so far and has received extensive coverage either on the blogosphere and traditional newspapers. Guardian columnist Jeff Jarvis even spread all the 17 declarations via [...] [...] translated into more than 15 languages so far and has received extensive coverage either on the blogosphere and traditional newspapers. Guardian columnist Jeff Jarvis even spread all the 17 declarations via [...]

]]> By: The One-Minute Journalist Guide To Understanding The Internet « Argument http://eu.techcrunch.com/2009/09/09/german-bloggers-internet-manifesto-on-journalisms-future-makes-waves/comment-page-1/#comment-280154 The One-Minute Journalist Guide To Understanding The Internet « Argument Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:49:35 +0000 http://uk.techcrunch.com/?p=10225#comment-280154 [...] translated into more than 15 languages so far and has received extensive coverage either on the blogosphere and traditional newspapers. Guardian columnist Jeff Jarvis even spread all the 17 declarations via [...] [...] translated into more than 15 languages so far and has received extensive coverage either on the blogosphere and traditional newspapers. Guardian columnist Jeff Jarvis even spread all the 17 declarations via [...]

]]> By: The One-Minute Journalist Guide To Understanding The Internet « Argument http://eu.techcrunch.com/2009/09/09/german-bloggers-internet-manifesto-on-journalisms-future-makes-waves/comment-page-1/#comment-280155 The One-Minute Journalist Guide To Understanding The Internet « Argument Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:49:35 +0000 http://uk.techcrunch.com/?p=10225#comment-280155 [...] translated into more than 15 languages so far and has received extensive coverage either on the blogosphere and traditional newspapers. Guardian columnist Jeff Jarvis even spread all the 17 declarations via [...] [...] translated into more than 15 languages so far and has received extensive coverage either on the blogosphere and traditional newspapers. Guardian columnist Jeff Jarvis even spread all the 17 declarations via [...]

]]> By: The One-Minute Journalist Guide To Understanding The Internet | 1 RSSBLOG.com http://eu.techcrunch.com/2009/09/09/german-bloggers-internet-manifesto-on-journalisms-future-makes-waves/comment-page-1/#comment-279996 The One-Minute Journalist Guide To Understanding The Internet | 1 RSSBLOG.com Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:58:46 +0000 http://uk.techcrunch.com/?p=10225#comment-279996 [...] translated into more than 15 languages so far and has received extensive coverage either on the blogosphere and traditional newspapers. Guardian columnist Jeff Jarvis even spread all the 17 declarations via [...] [...] translated into more than 15 languages so far and has received extensive coverage either on the blogosphere and traditional newspapers. Guardian columnist Jeff Jarvis even spread all the 17 declarations via [...]

]]> By: Germany’s Mr Startup launches his own HuffPo http://eu.techcrunch.com/2009/09/09/german-bloggers-internet-manifesto-on-journalisms-future-makes-waves/comment-page-1/#comment-275775 Germany’s Mr Startup launches his own HuffPo Thu, 29 Oct 2009 09:42:26 +0000 http://uk.techcrunch.com/?p=10225#comment-275775 [...] also his answer to the German bloggers’ Internet Manifesto which rocked the online world last month. Their declaration of dead of journalism is just not true, the 32 years old with two PhD titles [...] [...] also his answer to the German bloggers’ Internet Manifesto which rocked the online world last month. Their declaration of dead of journalism is just not true, the 32 years old with two PhD titles [...]

]]> By: Pierre http://eu.techcrunch.com/2009/09/09/german-bloggers-internet-manifesto-on-journalisms-future-makes-waves/comment-page-1/#comment-263818 Pierre Fri, 18 Sep 2009 03:40:37 +0000 http://uk.techcrunch.com/?p=10225#comment-263818 Like many said here, I just don't get it. Who's paying rent? who's paying for months of research and travels? so what you're saying is journalism will become a hobby, not a real job, and therefore whoever has a blog becomes a journalist? the day the Guardian or the Economist will cease to exist (offline, online, mobile versions, whatever platform they use) because of all that "free" utopia, everybody will lose. So instead of saying how old folks don't get it and they're a bunch of losers, why don't you try to understand the real consequences and think beyond the "we're bloggers we're so cool and so new". I'm afraid you are the ones, the "elite", not getting it. Finally, think about it: remove the actual content providers (you know, the guys you copy the links from), like the newspapers and magazines, and what do you have left really? let's get real please. Like many said here, I just don’t get it. Who’s paying rent? who’s paying for months of research and travels? so what you’re saying is journalism will become a hobby, not a real job, and therefore whoever has a blog becomes a journalist? the day the Guardian or the Economist will cease to exist (offline, online, mobile versions, whatever platform they use) because of all that “free” utopia, everybody will lose. So instead of saying how old folks don’t get it and they’re a bunch of losers, why don’t you try to understand the real consequences and think beyond the “we’re bloggers we’re so cool and so new”. I’m afraid you are the ones, the “elite”, not getting it. Finally, think about it: remove the actual content providers (you know, the guys you copy the links from), like the newspapers and magazines, and what do you have left really? let’s get real please.

]]> By: ‘Internet Manifesto’ heralds journalism’s new age « The Medium, The Message http://eu.techcrunch.com/2009/09/09/german-bloggers-internet-manifesto-on-journalisms-future-makes-waves/comment-page-1/#comment-263016 ‘Internet Manifesto’ heralds journalism’s new age « The Medium, The Message Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:10:34 +0000 http://uk.techcrunch.com/?p=10225#comment-263016 [...] last week (we’ve been away because of a loss in our family) and, according to reports, was so popular its server went down for a while. “The 17 declarations were discussed worldwide,” says Mercedes Bunz, one of the [...] [...] last week (we’ve been away because of a loss in our family) and, according to reports, was so popular its server went down for a while. “The 17 declarations were discussed worldwide,” says Mercedes Bunz, one of the [...]

]]> By: Internet Manifest – ein Nachschlag - blingbling http://eu.techcrunch.com/2009/09/09/german-bloggers-internet-manifesto-on-journalisms-future-makes-waves/comment-page-1/#comment-262575 Internet Manifest – ein Nachschlag - blingbling Fri, 11 Sep 2009 21:01:44 +0000 http://uk.techcrunch.com/?p=10225#comment-262575 [...] Am o7. September stellten ein paar der bekannteren deutschen Onlinejournalisten und Blogger ein Internet Manifest vor. Es entbrannte eine hitzige und teils diffamierende, aber auch konstruktive Diskussion, die bis in die Mainstreammedien überschwappte. Viel Kritik wurde, teils zu Recht, geäußert. Zu viel WischiWaschi, zu wenig Substanz, zu wenig Klarheit, zu wenig Neues, zu wenig Konkretes. In der Tat findet sich in den 17 Behauptungen nicht viel bisher ungesagtes. Manche Aussagen sind gewagt oder äußerst schwammig (’Das Internet ist anders’) und bleiben unbelegt oder sind gar schlichtweg falsch (’Für die Mehrheit der Menschen in der westlichen Welt gehören Angebote wie Social Networks, Wikipedia oder Youtube zum Alltag.’) (inzwischen geändert). Die Bezeichnung “Manifest” verspricht größeres. Eins aber hat diese Diskussion deutlich gezeigt: Die deutsche Blogosphäre dreht sich in erste Linie um sich selbst, das Denken endet am eigenen Tellerrand, man scheitert an Vorbehalten, oft fragt man sich ob nicht Neid oder Mißgunst die treibende Kraft hinter manchen Äußerungen sind. Man reibt sich an Nebensächlichkeiten, und wenn man verbal auf jemanden eintreten kann, so wird dies oft und gerne gemacht. Die latente Agression in vielen Kommentaren spricht Bände. The German blogosphere is so much different than the English. There is so much envy and hatred everywhere. techcrunch.com [...] [...] Am o7. September stellten ein paar der bekannteren deutschen Onlinejournalisten und Blogger ein Internet Manifest vor. Es entbrannte eine hitzige und teils diffamierende, aber auch konstruktive Diskussion, die bis in die Mainstreammedien überschwappte. Viel Kritik wurde, teils zu Recht, geäußert. Zu viel WischiWaschi, zu wenig Substanz, zu wenig Klarheit, zu wenig Neues, zu wenig Konkretes. In der Tat findet sich in den 17 Behauptungen nicht viel bisher ungesagtes. Manche Aussagen sind gewagt oder äußerst schwammig (’Das Internet ist anders’) und bleiben unbelegt oder sind gar schlichtweg falsch (’Für die Mehrheit der Menschen in der westlichen Welt gehören Angebote wie Social Networks, Wikipedia oder Youtube zum Alltag.’) (inzwischen geändert). Die Bezeichnung “Manifest” verspricht größeres. Eins aber hat diese Diskussion deutlich gezeigt: Die deutsche Blogosphäre dreht sich in erste Linie um sich selbst, das Denken endet am eigenen Tellerrand, man scheitert an Vorbehalten, oft fragt man sich ob nicht Neid oder Mißgunst die treibende Kraft hinter manchen Äußerungen sind. Man reibt sich an Nebensächlichkeiten, und wenn man verbal auf jemanden eintreten kann, so wird dies oft und gerne gemacht. Die latente Agression in vielen Kommentaren spricht Bände. The German blogosphere is so much different than the English. There is so much envy and hatred everywhere. techcrunch.com [...]

]]> By: Links (8. September 2009 - 10. September 2009) | Testspiel.de http://eu.techcrunch.com/2009/09/09/german-bloggers-internet-manifesto-on-journalisms-future-makes-waves/comment-page-1/#comment-262191 Links (8. September 2009 - 10. September 2009) | Testspiel.de Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:01:24 +0000 http://uk.techcrunch.com/?p=10225#comment-262191 [...] German bloggers’ Internet Manifesto on journalism’s future makes waves [...] [...] German bloggers’ Internet Manifesto on journalism’s future makes waves [...]

]]> By: Gems from the German Internet Manifesto « -30- | Adventures at the end of journalism. http://eu.techcrunch.com/2009/09/09/german-bloggers-internet-manifesto-on-journalisms-future-makes-waves/comment-page-1/#comment-262113 Gems from the German Internet Manifesto « -30- | Adventures at the end of journalism. Thu, 10 Sep 2009 12:52:56 +0000 http://uk.techcrunch.com/?p=10225#comment-262113 [...] scheme on how best to nickel and dime readers in the States, a group of German bloggers recently banded together to provide their take on how journalism in the world of the Internet really [...] [...] scheme on how best to nickel and dime readers in the States, a group of German bloggers recently banded together to provide their take on how journalism in the world of the Internet really [...]

]]> By: Tradesmen Building Supplies http://eu.techcrunch.com/2009/09/09/german-bloggers-internet-manifesto-on-journalisms-future-makes-waves/comment-page-1/#comment-262044 Tradesmen Building Supplies Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:38:19 +0000 http://uk.techcrunch.com/?p=10225#comment-262044 Journalism should br dynamic and intuitive as to the best medium for disseminating information Journalism should br dynamic and intuitive as to the best medium for disseminating information

]]> By: <fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="621599484">Paramendra Kumar Bhagat</fb:name> http://eu.techcrunch.com/2009/09/09/german-bloggers-internet-manifesto-on-journalisms-future-makes-waves/comment-page-1/#comment-262037 Paramendra Kumar Bhagat Thu, 10 Sep 2009 07:33:05 +0000 http://uk.techcrunch.com/?p=10225#comment-262037 This manifesto is a milestone. This manifesto is a milestone.

]]> By: <fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="621599484">Paramendra Kumar Bhagat</fb:name> http://eu.techcrunch.com/2009/09/09/german-bloggers-internet-manifesto-on-journalisms-future-makes-waves/comment-page-1/#comment-262036 Paramendra Kumar Bhagat Thu, 10 Sep 2009 07:29:42 +0000 http://uk.techcrunch.com/?p=10225#comment-262036 Like that guy who started Protestantism. Like that guy who started Protestantism.

]]> By: Stefan http://eu.techcrunch.com/2009/09/09/german-bloggers-internet-manifesto-on-journalisms-future-makes-waves/comment-page-1/#comment-262026 Stefan Thu, 10 Sep 2009 06:12:11 +0000 http://uk.techcrunch.com/?p=10225#comment-262026 I am not sure why so many are hoping for the end of traditional journalism here. This "manifesto" has a lot of truth to it, however, it mostly applies to traditional media that I wouldn't associate with true journalism in the first place, particularly the quoted Burda - it's entertainment and if I read about the latest gossip online by some blogger or in a glossy magazine doesn't matter (at least to me). But, journalism, the investigative kind, is one of the most precious things our western society has created, yet, the problem is that it is affected in the same way as the entertainment, nice-to-have type of "journalism". I truly hope that magazines like Time, Spiegel, The Economist all the great daily newspapers find way to monetize their efforts. There is enough "opinion" out there, I hope the information doesn't get lost in the process.... I am not sure why so many are hoping for the end of traditional journalism here.

This “manifesto” has a lot of truth to it, however, it mostly applies to traditional media that I wouldn’t associate with true journalism in the first place, particularly the quoted Burda – it’s entertainment and if I read about the latest gossip online by some blogger or in a glossy magazine doesn’t matter (at least to me).

But, journalism, the investigative kind, is one of the most precious things our western society has created, yet, the problem is that it is affected in the same way as the entertainment, nice-to-have type of “journalism”.

I truly hope that magazines like Time, Spiegel, The Economist all the great daily newspapers find way to monetize their efforts.

There is enough “opinion” out there, I hope the information doesn’t get lost in the process….

]]> By: Supporting the Internet Manifesto « Fredzimny’s CCCCC Blog http://eu.techcrunch.com/2009/09/09/german-bloggers-internet-manifesto-on-journalisms-future-makes-waves/comment-page-1/#comment-262021 Supporting the Internet Manifesto « Fredzimny’s CCCCC Blog Thu, 10 Sep 2009 05:29:36 +0000 http://uk.techcrunch.com/?p=10225#comment-262021 [...] German bloggers’ Internet Manifesto on journalism’s future makes waves (uk.techcrunch.com) [...] [...] German bloggers’ Internet Manifesto on journalism’s future makes waves (uk.techcrunch.com) [...]

]]> By: News from around the web: 2009-09-10 - Credit Writedowns http://eu.techcrunch.com/2009/09/09/german-bloggers-internet-manifesto-on-journalisms-future-makes-waves/comment-page-1/#comment-262019 News from around the web: 2009-09-10 - Credit Writedowns Thu, 10 Sep 2009 04:57:17 +0000 http://uk.techcrunch.com/?p=10225#comment-262019 [...] German bloggers’ Internet Manifesto on journalism’s future makes waves [...] [...] German bloggers’ Internet Manifesto on journalism’s future makes waves [...]

]]> By: » German bloggers go big with journalism manifesto. - ibrandcasting.com http://eu.techcrunch.com/2009/09/09/german-bloggers-internet-manifesto-on-journalisms-future-makes-waves/comment-page-1/#comment-261938 » German bloggers go big with journalism manifesto. - ibrandcasting.com Wed, 09 Sep 2009 22:02:23 +0000 http://uk.techcrunch.com/?p=10225#comment-261938 [...] “The Internet Manifesto. How journalism works today. Seventeen declarations.”  According to TechCrunch Europe,  just hours after the release, servers got slammed by an onslaught of visitors and the site [...] [...] “The Internet Manifesto. How journalism works today. Seventeen declarations.”  According to TechCrunch Europe,  just hours after the release, servers got slammed by an onslaught of visitors and the site [...]

]]> By: Erik http://eu.techcrunch.com/2009/09/09/german-bloggers-internet-manifesto-on-journalisms-future-makes-waves/comment-page-1/#comment-261911 Erik Wed, 09 Sep 2009 20:06:42 +0000 http://uk.techcrunch.com/?p=10225#comment-261911 I'm also from Germany and I can only second that. These people are nothing but wannabes. Everything they write, say or do is ridiculous. So is this "manifesto". I’m also from Germany and I can only second that. These people are nothing but wannabes. Everything they write, say or do is ridiculous. So is this “manifesto”.

]]> By: FB http://eu.techcrunch.com/2009/09/09/german-bloggers-internet-manifesto-on-journalisms-future-makes-waves/comment-page-1/#comment-261904 FB Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:46:06 +0000 http://uk.techcrunch.com/?p=10225#comment-261904 oh man - a manifesto? let's see this at wikipedia: A manifesto is a public declaration of principles and intentions, often political in nature! what I read isn't a manifesto - its a posing document with some statements from some more or less intelligent bloggers! oh please tc-why do post this crap here? I thought you are going for quality?! oh man – a manifesto? let’s see this at wikipedia: A manifesto is a public declaration of principles and intentions, often political in nature!

what I read isn’t a manifesto – its a posing document with some statements from some more or less intelligent bloggers!

oh please tc-why do post this crap here? I thought you are going for quality?!

]]> By: Chris (chris97) 's status on Wednesday, 09-Sep-09 19:36:57 UTC - Identi.ca http://eu.techcrunch.com/2009/09/09/german-bloggers-internet-manifesto-on-journalisms-future-makes-waves/comment-page-1/#comment-261901 Chris (chris97) 's status on Wednesday, 09-Sep-09 19:36:57 UTC - Identi.ca Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:37:06 +0000 http://uk.techcrunch.com/?p=10225#comment-261901 [...] http://uk.techcrunch.com/2009/09/09/german-bloggers-internet-manifesto-on-journalisms-future-makes-... a few seconds ago from Spaz [...] [...] http://uk.techcrunch.com/2009/09/09/german-bloggers-internet-manifesto-on-journalisms-future-makes-... a few seconds ago from Spaz [...]

]]> By: Chris http://eu.techcrunch.com/2009/09/09/german-bloggers-internet-manifesto-on-journalisms-future-makes-waves/comment-page-1/#comment-261900 Chris Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:30:36 +0000 http://uk.techcrunch.com/?p=10225#comment-261900 Caschy is right. Don't call it manifesto, it is a stupid peace of shit from some wannabes. They're fishing for links to sell them. Caschy is right. Don’t call it manifesto, it is a stupid peace of shit from some wannabes.

They’re fishing for links to sell them.

]]> By: mediumsizedrob http://eu.techcrunch.com/2009/09/09/german-bloggers-internet-manifesto-on-journalisms-future-makes-waves/comment-page-1/#comment-261891 mediumsizedrob Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:03:46 +0000 http://uk.techcrunch.com/?p=10225#comment-261891 It would suck, but also be awesome if traditional news outlets really started going out of business and these bloggers were forced to leave the basement and find news for themselves to rant about and quote liberally. They'd probably have to find investors to get started and hire reporters to keep up and get exclusives. Oh wait.. then they'd be the traditional media outlets! It would suck, but also be awesome if traditional news outlets really started going out of business and these bloggers were forced to leave the basement and find news for themselves to rant about and quote liberally. They’d probably have to find investors to get started and hire reporters to keep up and get exclusives. Oh wait.. then they’d be the traditional media outlets!

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