Vote: Will Europeans use Gowalla, FourSquare or what?
by Mike Butcher
on November 27, 2009

So it’s been nearly 10 days since Foursquare launched its social mobile game ‘ground assault’ into 50 more cities, including a bunch of European ones. But what I’d like to know is who’s actually using it here in Europe?

Because, you see, Europeans are already quite well served by location based mobile applications like Qype, the various localised versions of Yelp, and other startups like Rummble. And there are increasingly new kids on the block like Flook.

What is clear however, is that only Foursquare and Gowalla (at least to my knowledge) have come up with this gaming approach to ‘checking in’ which has attracted so much interest from high profile blogs like TechCrunch and bloggers like Robert Scoble.

The question is, which will scale and ultimately prove the winner? Because – at least in this instance – we have two distinct approaches to the issue of social, mobile and location.

One the one hand the more ‘utilitarian’ approach of European startups has generally concentrated on providing Yelp-like ratings mechanisms for venues and places. Increasingly they have placed money-off voucher-codes front and centre in their business model (and there are plenty of iPhone apps for just vouchers based on your location, like Bview, Rippll, Vouchacha and Vooch).

On the other hand in the U.S., the new wave of social mobile startups has produced sites like Brightkite, but more latterly two main players in the from of Foursquare and Gowalla. Their approach has been to lure users into a points-based checking in game which will presumably create a voucher-based business model via the back door – eventually.

Incredibly this is playing out like so many other US versus European startup battles that have happened before: the US player goes after scale and traction, the European players go after monetisation first.

It’s going to be extremely interesting to see this battle play out. So to get a sense of who is using what and where, I’m going to pitch Foursquare and Gowalla against eachother for starters. After that I’ll be delving deeper into this battleground and the players, from a European perspective.

I’d like you to vote on the two polls below and we’ll then go from there. I’ll close the polls on Monday, so get voting. And please, be honest about where you are.

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  • http://www.technologycouncil.com J Tod Fetherling

    What about GPS Assassins? Seems to be missing in the list of mobile based games.

  • josh

    Probably neither, if they’re straight. “Look at me, I’m the mayor of this pub, even though I dont get anything for it!”

  • eric

    I just tried all of the apps mentioned above, and what I don’t like about gowalla or foursquare is that you need to sign in before doing anything.

    foursquare then gives me a list of places, but not what they are, gowalla’s is also a list, but with icons telling me what kind of place it is.
    foursquare’s is more cultural right now, gowalla more food and drink orientated.

    now what I like about flook is that it doesn’t require a login to browse, and that you browse cards that you flip through with photos and info on them. all the cards near amsterdam are crap right now, but I can really see this growing.

    qype doesn’t have amsterdam in the online database, and rummbles website was so uninviting that I didn’t even try.

    my verdict:
    flook will be great for when you are walking around a new place trying to discover stuff, but it will need a lot of people building “cards” for it soon, but I will start using it. and from the battle between gowalla and foursquare I will use gowalla because of the category icons and the fun aspect. although the places mentioned on foursquare are more inviting to me, so I will keep that one too.

    hmmm, I’d say it’s a three-way tie in my case.

  • http://www.tingshuren.com/ 听书人

    landon

  • http://www.openplayce.com Martin Destagnol

    And don’t forget also OpenPlayce that will be out next month : http://www.openplayce.com !

  • Richard Sticken

    Do you like my chicken?

  • Michael

    Hey everyone,

    does anyone of you know a startup/company that is covering “the other side of the coin”?
    So is there any service that helps businesses manage several mobile-spot-seeking-applications at once?
    I’ve heard of wildfire (guess its wildfireapp.com) that helps businesses organize events (games, coupons etc.) on social network.
    Do you know of any compandy doing that for mobile services??

    Greetz

  • http://www.mobileinc.co.uk Murat

    I don’t think either will be very popular. Trying to get most of my friends on one service to make it fun enough to use is nearly impossible. That’s why Facebook is so good.

    If this seamlessly integrated with location based Facebook updates then maybe but otherwise this is going to suffer from the Myspace/Twitter syndrome with my mates.

  • Michael

    “[...]that helps businesses manage THEIR APPEARANCE ON several mobile-spot-seeking-applications at once?” I meant – thank god its friday! :-D

  • Sheryl Breuker

    A couple of things that need to be taken into consideration before predicting how well each of these apps will do have to do with device being used, Gowalla requires an iphone, not an ipod touch, and foursquare requires you to be in specific cities. Both of those are deal breakers for many people.

    If Gowalla would provide support for more devices it would win. If Foursquare could handle more cities it would. They are very elite programs as they stand now.

  • Sheryl Breuker

    A couple of things that need to be taken into consideration before predicting how well each of these apps will do have to do with device being used, Gowalla requires an iphone, not an ipod touch, and foursquare requires you to be in specific cities. Both of those are deal breakers for many people.

    If Gowalla would provide support for more devices it would win. If Foursquare could handle more cities it would. They are elite programs as they stand now.

  • Hauser

    I think you guys are getting ahead of yourselves. You might also want to ask: will people use these apps in the US, outside of the early adoptard crowd?

  • http://www.hectorramos.com Hector Ramos

    I think Gowalla will have the upper hand once it supports more devices. They already are being used in more places since they are not locked down by city.

    I’m actually running a Gowalla scavenger hunt on my blog today, letting people go through my checked in spots and try to figure out where I hid some Gowalla swag.

  • Carmen Roberto

    I think you missed out this up and coming location based social network: http://social.shownearby.com

    They are currently on closed beta and I managed to get a glimpse of their amazing platform!

    Maybe you can request for some exclusive invites for TC readers?

  • http://www.mobnotes.com maxciociola

    mobnotes is much more popular in europe than gowalla and foursquare….

  • Tim

    I use Gowalla in Reading.

    Reading should be on that list as it is clearly a tech town.

  • Jabba The Hut

    Jabba thinks its all a load of PR Intergalatic Beetledung. These are NOT valuable apps. These are casual games. There are more useful location based Apps coming out. Jabba knows ;P Blueerggkkk!!

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  • http://www.twitter.com/ilan_peer Ilan Peer

    Yeah, Melbourne is in Europe but Tel Aviv isn’t. the poll sucks.

  • http://www.twitter.com/caseyrain Casey R

    I’m in Birmingham, UK and Foursquare is really taking off here, as well as London. I’m a professional musician, as are most of the people I know, and there’s a serious buzz about it!

    However, me and my close social circle started using Twitter in Q3 2007, and the majority of our wide social circle didn’t catch on till Q1 2009…….same thing’ll probably happen with 4SQ.

  • http://www.ambientindustries.com Roger Nolan

    Why is the vote about cities not services?

  • http://cyberpotato.net Michael Slattery

    I’ve been in the top 3 on the Paris Foursquare leaderboard for two weeks in a row. When I told my daughter that, she said: “Wow, that means it’s tiny!”

  • Manolo Hernandez

    It seems there’s no dominant player in Europe.I don’t for other countries, but the most popular geolocation-based social network in Spain is currently Tooio.

  • http://sebastiankeil.de/2009/11/27/the-german-collectors-reasoning-why-germany-will-be-gowalla-territory-not-foursquare/ The German collectors – reasoning why Germany will be Gowalla territory, not Foursquare

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  • http://twitter.com/mikebutcher Mike Butcher

    Apologies, a slip of the cut and paste fingers. (Tel Aviv is in the Middle East – we’re trying to focus here).

  • Mike

    I use sleeq.com
    More focus on the location as a social object and personally I think the website itself is more usable there…

  • Mike

    Oops sorry, got the link wrong. Second try:
    sleeq.com

  • pwb

    I’d like to know who’s going to win in the US? My sense is that Facebook could blow everyone out of the water. Jabba is way off: this is a very interesting category. Location-based apps have been a holy grail and FourSquare and Gowalla have finally managed to get people to reveal their locations.

  • Keef Moon

    I jumped on the Foursquare bandwagon as soon as it came to London, and I have a problem with the concept. While it has a certain initial appeal, it is marketed as a game, but one without a point!

    It needs a element of skill to be added. Having to earn a mayorship by beating the previous mayor in a game, would make it really compelling.

  • http://jackiedanicki.com Jackie Danicki

    What about Wubud? You covered this product previously, Mike – what’s going on there? (I’m too lazy to email Walshy. :) )

  • http://www.sichelputzer.de Mike Schnoor

    To be honest, I don’t use Foursquare or Gowalla at all. You should’ve added the option “I’m not using this service”, because in this current poll I can’t vote. :)

  • http://www.ambientindustries.com Roger Nolan

    Eric, thanks for the kind words – after just over a week we’re really happy with the cards people are making. We’d love to see your flooks in Amsterdam. Actually, we’d love to visit Amsterdam and flook it ourselves :-)

    In the meantime, we’re building robots to find content where we don’t have users:

    http://flookblog.wordpress.com/2009/11/28/upcoming-events-in-flook/

  • http://www.ambientindustries.com Roger Nolan

    Keef

    First off, love the drumming. You might want to move that parking space away from the swimming pool though.

    We tried to add some skill to flook. We want to encourage good cards so flook score is awarded for good cards, not just making cards or clicking buttons.

    R

  • http://www.ambientindustries.com Roger Nolan

    We’re in Henley and Reading is well flooked ;-)

  • Jane Sales

    Hi there – definitely something that’s in our plans. We’re already well integrated with Twitter – you can find tweets near you, and tweet your flooks. Facebook needs a little more care – you don’t want to spam your friends – but will be in flook soon. Email me – jane at flook dot it – if you want to give me your input on what you’d like to see in flook.

  • http://www.mobnotes.com Gino

    Mike,

    why don’t you stop talking about Foursquare and instead talk about what really happen in the EU ecosystem?

    Do you know that currently Foursquare have nearly 130.000 users all around the world?
    Well, we at Mobnotes.com have the same numbers, but just in EU…

    We of course don’t have a PR office, with no money to spent in that (we’re still a bootstrapped company looking for funding…), but we should be at least considered by you at least for our size and numbers…

    Sincerely,

    Gino

  • http://twitter.com/mikebutcher Mike Butcher

    I don’t know about you but I’m still waiting for my Macbook Air. http://www.wubud.com/signup/

    Typing on this Amstrad is getting tiring.

  • http://twitter.com/mikebutcher Mike Butcher

    Hi Gino – Yes, if you actually READ the post I say “I’ll be delving deeper into this battleground and the players, from a European perspective.” Stay in touch ;-)

  • http://www.mobnotes.com Gino

    Hi Mike,

    this is a good news… Let’s go deeper, I’m here if you need more info and statistics about Mobnotes growth and usage. :-)

    G.

  • http://tommorris.org/blog/ Tom Morris

    I don’t use any of them. I’ve never really thought of location-based services as needing to be tied to a game. All I really want is the ability for me to be able to say to websites “this is where I am” in much the same way OpenID/OAuth lets me say “this is who I am” and “this is what you are allowed to do”, and let me build up a collection of scripts around that. Location doesn’t feel like a feature or a product, it’s just infrastructure.

    Unfortunately, it’s infrastructure that nobody has really gotten right: the closest thing I’ve found to location services not sucking is FireEagle, which is hampered by the fact that it’s run by Yahoo! and thus has all the business troubles Yahoo! currently has. The W3C/HTML5 way of doing location is tied too closely to the browser rather than the user – my browser doesn’t know where I am often, but a lot of other technology does. Latitude is too tied into Google services and hasn’t really been made into an open API yet. The mobile providers want to charge oodles for people to use that data, meaning it’s not really something hackers can build on. And Gowalla/FourSquare seem like pointless boondoggles on something that should be as boring and low-level as DNS.

    Plus I don’t have an iPhone. I have what they call a “feature phone”, and one of its many features is that it doesn’t support stuff like FourSquare.

  • http://be-a-magpie.com Jan Schulz-Hofen

    Very cool post, Mike. And interesting to see how the polls will turn out.

    Regarding the back door tactic you mention: I think you’re right and that it’s very clever from Foursquare and Gowalla to use gaming (=competition) as a driver to get people use the service as much as they can.

    However, I don’t believe that the most successful business models will be voucher-based. Statistics will be much more interesting in my opinion. Having all the data Gowalla, Foursquare, etc. are piling up, they can easily create something like Google Analytics for restaurants, bistros or bike repair shops. Think about visits, return rate, maybe duration (if checkout was introduced as well), number of people in your group, etc., etc. I think local businesses will love this.

    Very fascinating.

    Jan

  • http://www.rummble.com Andrew J Scott

    Hi Everyone – I’m always a happy man to see more posts around location related services and mobile. 2010 will be an exciting year! Some responses:

    @eric You’re completely right, our website is a mess at the moment; it is very feature rich however. We’re on the case to make it much cleaner, easier to use and relaunch it accordingly. Didn’t you try Rummble for iPhone? that is a much better experience :-)

    @murat We have extensive Twitter and Facebook integration, with more coming soon. Be great to hear your thoughts – feel free to tweet us @rummble we’re always greatful for feeadback.

    @Sheryl Breuker, Rummble works anywhere in the world. In addition you can search for places you’re not in. Let us know what you think!

  • http://www.rummble.com Andrew J Scott

    @eric You’re completely right, our website is a mess at the moment. We’re on the case. Didn’t you try Rummble for iPhone? that is a much better experience :-)

    @murat We have extensive Twitter and Facebook integration, with more coming soon. Be great to hear your thoughts – feel free to tweet us @rummble we’re always greatful for feedback.

    @Sheryl Breuker, Rummble works anywhere in the world. In addition you can search for places you’re not in. Let us know what you think!

  • http://Www.rippll.com Doug C

    To be fair to mike the debate will certainly get more interesting as he delves deeper and the 2 apps mentioned are the buzz apps of the moment.

    Hopefully the debate will cover all angles including dating and vouchers. We use the Rippll platform to publish many social location based apps and have over 100,000 registered users. Our dating app Purpll and our Local Offers app for vouchers have been far more popular than our Game based app City-King which is like Foursquare meets Monopoly so we re guessing it’s a PR thing for the ex Dodgeball guys..

    My gut feel is that location and friend finding is a feature not an app, but if you can layer more valuable content into the app then the friend finding is certainly huge added value to the consumer experience.

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  • Colette Ballou

    Dude, what about Tellmewhere — 400,000 users! How many do Foursquare and Gowalla have?

  • http://dismoiou.fr Christophe AMALRIC

    Hi,
    Thanks Colette, I confirm, it’s the right number ;-)

    Btw Tellmewhere 2.0 for iPhone is coming in a few days, stay tuned !

    Christophe

  • Biones

    Just checked, today Foursquare have 135k users… Ehy boys, is a very small number! There are a lot of services with more users that never appeared on Techcrunch, tell me why…

  • http://www.haber24.com haber

    Hi,
    Thanks Colette, I confirm, it’s the right number
    My gut feel is that location and friend finding is a feature not an app, but if you can layer more valuable content into the app then the friend finding is certainly huge added value to the consumer experience.

  • http://twitter.com/keefmoon Keef Moon

    Roger,

    I’ve made a start at using Flook. I’ll have to give it some more time.

    Keef Moon (No not that one…the other one…yeah…no it’s alright, I get that all the time.)

  • http://www.boulas.com Chipper

    –Agree with Mike about the two approaches, but do not think it’s one or the other.
    –Believe the winner in this location-based space will be able to synthesize both the location-based search (the useful) and location-based social networking (the social/fun) – into a simple, integrated interface.
    –Recommend keeping an eye out for Tellmewhere 2.0 iphone app coming later this month.

  • http://advertisingaphasia.blogspot.com DuBose Cole

    Really like that you’re approaching the idea of European adoption of geolocation services the way you are. I agree that the US companies are aiming to increase scale, while the Euro companies are aiming to monetize and grow the network locally.

    I had compared Foursquare, Dopplr, Gowalla and Rummble on my blog earlier last month and really liked most of them (all were great for different things, but I didn’t fancy Dopplr that much)
    Links Here: http://bit.ly/7akc0a & http://bit.ly/4C0PJW

    However, I wonder if the overall question is whether information is key to driving repeat use or if the gaming aspect from Foursquare and Gowalla will drive growth?

    Hadn’t heard of Flook by the way, will have to check that out….

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  • Matthias

    The Swiss start-up Gbanga (www.gbanga.com) is certainly another cool social LBS casual game that is ready to take off.

  • http://flook.it Roger Nolan

    Never mind mike, we’re giving away a MacBook air so you can try for that if you like.

  • http://flook.it Roger Nolan

    Ooops. link: http:flook.it/comp

  • MPB

    Zurich is missing in your list…

  • http://profiles.google.com/mugwumpman mugwumpman

    There usually emerges a 3rd party app that enables several of these similar social programs to be linked together. Is there any such website/program/app for Location Based Social Networks, (4square, Fbook places, Gowalla etc.) also linking them with Google map’s recommendation/rating system? If not, why not? I would love to make one, but haven’t the technical skills.

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