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		<title>By: Tamama</title>
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		<title>By: The curse of the moguls &#124; Fullrunner</title>
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		<dc:creator>The curse of the moguls &#124; Fullrunner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jan 2011 13:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a conference in London, Hommels asked: “Who is going to buy all the shit in our existing [...]</description>
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		<title>By: pupuk organik</title>
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		<dc:creator>pupuk organik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 02:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pupuk organik : There are so much to learn from each page man, its very much inspirational.</description>
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		<title>By: Davor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 22:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totaly agree with David. You should concentrate on building a great business. Only then money will follow, not vice versa.

I have a feeling that many today&#039;s wannabe Netpreneurs see situation as a quick buck opp scheme. Enrty bar is relatively low, let&#039;s build something and try to sell it to a VC&#039;s. It is much harder to believe into something, to evaluate all points of usability and comercialization, and to endure along path.

But back to the topic, Europe does lack on quality entrepreneurs, VC&#039;s and buyout companies. Whole envrionment is much more underdeveloped than US counterpart. My experience with all three here in EU is pretty disturbing. Add to this many different, yet strong, local cultures which only add to the EU-market-as-a-whole problem. Re. Media companies in EU, they are quite lost - I have alot of contact with some of them and have this strong feeling. There are sleepy and confused and I don&#039;t see signs of improvement.

Indeed things are going better bit by bit, but I think process must be accelerated before it&#039;s too late for old lady EU.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totaly agree with David. You should concentrate on building a great business. Only then money will follow, not vice versa.</p>
<p>I have a feeling that many today&#8217;s wannabe Netpreneurs see situation as a quick buck opp scheme. Enrty bar is relatively low, let&#8217;s build something and try to sell it to a VC&#8217;s. It is much harder to believe into something, to evaluate all points of usability and comercialization, and to endure along path.</p>
<p>But back to the topic, Europe does lack on quality entrepreneurs, VC&#8217;s and buyout companies. Whole envrionment is much more underdeveloped than US counterpart. My experience with all three here in EU is pretty disturbing. Add to this many different, yet strong, local cultures which only add to the EU-market-as-a-whole problem. Re. Media companies in EU, they are quite lost &#8211; I have alot of contact with some of them and have this strong feeling. There are sleepy and confused and I don&#8217;t see signs of improvement.</p>
<p>Indeed things are going better bit by bit, but I think process must be accelerated before it&#8217;s too late for old lady EU.</p>
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		<title>By: Meine Timing-Theorie zur Deutschen Startupszene &#8211; Philipp Moehring</title>
		<link>http://eu.techcrunch.com/2009/11/30/we-fcked-it-up-lack-of-media-companies-buying-startups-is-europes-achilles-heel-says-hommels/comment-page-1/#comment-292585</link>
		<dc:creator>Meine Timing-Theorie zur Deutschen Startupszene &#8211; Philipp Moehring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 21:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ich bin mir sicher, dass es 2010 wieder einige hochinteressante Modelle zu sehen geben wird. Viele Teams haben sich in diesem Jahr zusammen gefunden und trotz der widrigen Situation die ersten Entwicklungen hinter sich gebracht. Ein Startup von der Idee zur Gründung oder gar zum Produkt zu bringen, ist bedeutend langwieriger, als man erwarten mag. Wo in vergangenen Jahren Business Angels die Grundlage geschaffen haben, um erste Schritte zu probieren, haben sich in diesem Jahr viele gute Dinge entwickelt &#8211; oftmals Abends, an Wochenenden oder aus bestehenden Firmen heraus. Die Gründer dieser Firmen können jetzt schon erste Produkte aufweisen, haben teilweise bereits Umsätze oder konnten Modelle entwickeln, die vorerst ohne externe Finanzierung auskommen. So zeigt sich ein weitaus gesünder und organischer gewachsenes Bild an Firmen, die in den kommenden Jahren die Früchte Ihrer harten Arbeit ernten werden. Investoren haben wieder interessante Optionen und auch Blogger haben endlich nicht mehr ganz so viel über die langweilige Deutsche Szene zu klagen. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Ich bin mir sicher, dass es 2010 wieder einige hochinteressante Modelle zu sehen geben wird. Viele Teams haben sich in diesem Jahr zusammen gefunden und trotz der widrigen Situation die ersten Entwicklungen hinter sich gebracht. Ein Startup von der Idee zur Gründung oder gar zum Produkt zu bringen, ist bedeutend langwieriger, als man erwarten mag. Wo in vergangenen Jahren Business Angels die Grundlage geschaffen haben, um erste Schritte zu probieren, haben sich in diesem Jahr viele gute Dinge entwickelt &#8211; oftmals Abends, an Wochenenden oder aus bestehenden Firmen heraus. Die Gründer dieser Firmen können jetzt schon erste Produkte aufweisen, haben teilweise bereits Umsätze oder konnten Modelle entwickeln, die vorerst ohne externe Finanzierung auskommen. So zeigt sich ein weitaus gesünder und organischer gewachsenes Bild an Firmen, die in den kommenden Jahren die Früchte Ihrer harten Arbeit ernten werden. Investoren haben wieder interessante Optionen und auch Blogger haben endlich nicht mehr ganz so viel über die langweilige Deutsche Szene zu klagen. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 12:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great companies are always going to find buyers.
Finding buyers is not difficult, building great companies is .
If you set out to create a company with the main motivation as exiting 3-5 years down the line then most likely you are going to struggle as the motivation is in the wrong direction.
Forget about it and build.This is a far greater challenge than finding a buyer later on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great companies are always going to find buyers.<br />
Finding buyers is not difficult, building great companies is .<br />
If you set out to create a company with the main motivation as exiting 3-5 years down the line then most likely you are going to struggle as the motivation is in the wrong direction.<br />
Forget about it and build.This is a far greater challenge than finding a buyer later on.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Belt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Belt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 11:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I (still) believe that there are enough potential buyers are out there. However the deal sizes in Europe, due to the fragmented markets, are quite likely smaller and much more regional. Perhaps European VC’s shouldn’t try to shoot for 500m+ deals but go for a wider variety of smaller deals. For a portfolio strategy this is quite a difficult one since the big hits make-up for the disasters elsewhere. So the question then remains, should VC’s at all invest in early stage companies?

Aside from that fundamental issue. The challenges that I come across trying to sell a company in Europe is to find the right buyer in a reasonable time frame. Within Europe my experience is that not many ‘traditional’ buyers know what’s for sale out there. Simply including them in a foreseen auction doesn’t bring anything since the auction time frame is typically always too short to make up there mind and saying “No thanks” is always the easiest answer.

I always suggest to CEOs who want to sell their company to simply ‘pencil in’ X hours a week to spend on investor(/potential buyer)-relations. Make sure that the ones that you aim to sell to are aware of your existence. At the point that you want to exit relevant buyers know who you are and can make a decision within a reasonable time frame!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I (still) believe that there are enough potential buyers are out there. However the deal sizes in Europe, due to the fragmented markets, are quite likely smaller and much more regional. Perhaps European VC’s shouldn’t try to shoot for 500m+ deals but go for a wider variety of smaller deals. For a portfolio strategy this is quite a difficult one since the big hits make-up for the disasters elsewhere. So the question then remains, should VC’s at all invest in early stage companies?</p>
<p>Aside from that fundamental issue. The challenges that I come across trying to sell a company in Europe is to find the right buyer in a reasonable time frame. Within Europe my experience is that not many ‘traditional’ buyers know what’s for sale out there. Simply including them in a foreseen auction doesn’t bring anything since the auction time frame is typically always too short to make up there mind and saying “No thanks” is always the easiest answer.</p>
<p>I always suggest to CEOs who want to sell their company to simply ‘pencil in’ X hours a week to spend on investor(/potential buyer)-relations. Make sure that the ones that you aim to sell to are aware of your existence. At the point that you want to exit relevant buyers know who you are and can make a decision within a reasonable time frame!</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Lovell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholas Lovell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that we are missing out one of the exit advantages of European startups: their multi-lingual, multi-currency operations.

US startups can reach scale hitting the 300 million English-speaking, dollar-spending Americans. For a European to reach scale, they have to work out how to operate in France, Germany, the UK and dozens of other countries.

That&#039;s a huge barrier to entry and a meaningful competitive advantage. US acquirers then have a choice of building their product/service out in multiple languages/currencies or to buy someone who has already done it.

I know a number of VCs who see that as the strength of European startups, and a driver of exits, particularly by US businesses.

Which means that the fragmented nature of the European market becomes to celebrate, not bemoan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that we are missing out one of the exit advantages of European startups: their multi-lingual, multi-currency operations.</p>
<p>US startups can reach scale hitting the 300 million English-speaking, dollar-spending Americans. For a European to reach scale, they have to work out how to operate in France, Germany, the UK and dozens of other countries.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a huge barrier to entry and a meaningful competitive advantage. US acquirers then have a choice of building their product/service out in multiple languages/currencies or to buy someone who has already done it.</p>
<p>I know a number of VCs who see that as the strength of European startups, and a driver of exits, particularly by US businesses.</p>
<p>Which means that the fragmented nature of the European market becomes to celebrate, not bemoan.</p>
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		<title>By: John Dennehy</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Dennehy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I co-founded a mobile content company in 2002 which we sold to a Chinese media company in 2006. From a finance point of view we couldn&#039;t find an Irish VC to back us largely because Irish VCs don&#039;t generally specialise in media investments. The problem was then that non-Irish VCs don&#039;t want to invest because they want to see a local VC in there first. It&#039;s a catch 22 that we overcame by doing an angel round with private investors.
We had a number of US companies look to acquire our company. The reason was because they wanted access to our Japanese suppliers, European markets and internationalisation and porting expertise. The fact that we could position ourselves as an acquisition for US-based companies was a good thing. Many European companies have been purchased for similar reasons. If large European media companies won&#039;t buy local media startups there are other buyers in the US and Asia. Maybe we should consider them more as an option in the years ahead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I co-founded a mobile content company in 2002 which we sold to a Chinese media company in 2006. From a finance point of view we couldn&#8217;t find an Irish VC to back us largely because Irish VCs don&#8217;t generally specialise in media investments. The problem was then that non-Irish VCs don&#8217;t want to invest because they want to see a local VC in there first. It&#8217;s a catch 22 that we overcame by doing an angel round with private investors.<br />
We had a number of US companies look to acquire our company. The reason was because they wanted access to our Japanese suppliers, European markets and internationalisation and porting expertise. The fact that we could position ourselves as an acquisition for US-based companies was a good thing. Many European companies have been purchased for similar reasons. If large European media companies won&#8217;t buy local media startups there are other buyers in the US and Asia. Maybe we should consider them more as an option in the years ahead.</p>
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		<title>By: AL</title>
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		<dc:creator>AL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 08:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the list of IT VCs. Where can I find a complete list with a ranking or a sorting?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the list of IT VCs. Where can I find a complete list with a ranking or a sorting?</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Destin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Destin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 06:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ezequiel: I am sure the data is out there, some of the larger exits that come to mind would be CSR, Iliad, Skype, Basilea, Betfair, Vistaprint or Q.Cells.

Look, I am not saying we are great; I am focusing on the future and saying &quot;yes there is a live ecosystem, success breeds succes, we need to keep developing it&quot;.

If you take the Paypal crew in the US, they started YouTube, LinkedIn, Facebook !  

Recycling a comment here I put on Farhan&#039;s blog to save time: &quot;Look at the impact that the Skype boys are having (ok Joost failed, but boy are they trying hard: Atomico, Rdio) and the Skype diaspora (Ek @ Spotify, the Ambient Sound Investments guys). Or Michael Birch and Brent Hoberman. The guys who made big invest in and mentor the guys who will make it even bigger.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ezequiel: I am sure the data is out there, some of the larger exits that come to mind would be CSR, Iliad, Skype, Basilea, Betfair, Vistaprint or Q.Cells.</p>
<p>Look, I am not saying we are great; I am focusing on the future and saying &#8220;yes there is a live ecosystem, success breeds succes, we need to keep developing it&#8221;.</p>
<p>If you take the Paypal crew in the US, they started YouTube, LinkedIn, Facebook !  </p>
<p>Recycling a comment here I put on Farhan&#8217;s blog to save time: &#8220;Look at the impact that the Skype boys are having (ok Joost failed, but boy are they trying hard: Atomico, Rdio) and the Skype diaspora (Ek @ Spotify, the Ambient Sound Investments guys). Or Michael Birch and Brent Hoberman. The guys who made big invest in and mentor the guys who will make it even bigger.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: alain revah</title>
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		<dc:creator>alain revah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 04:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@all the Fred Destin bashers out there:

1) you&#039;ve obviously never met him

2) he is one of the most forward thinking and risk taking VCs out there so let&#039;s encourage him rather 

3) he truly cares

@william: great points. Companies are bought not sold.

@richard: we made three investments in the US this fall: all are pre-revenue companies BUT they are headed by recognized entrepreneurs AND they&#039;ve made massive headway on no money. 

@kathy: Klaus wasn&#039;t the first angel investor in Skype. Morten Lund was. Klaus was one of the first but he did re-invest at a whooping eight figure valuation and that takes massive b@lls...

@Mike: Klaus stands out so starkly given his successes that he reminds us there should be 10,000 Klauses across Europe. We&#039;ll take a thousand ;)

Lastly I think the biggest problem is not European Media companies in general but their management culture. European Management is so cautious they&#039;d rather have a small loss of 2% this year than shoot for a +20%. Thinking goes like this: &quot;let&#039;s blame it on the crisis and I keep my job.&quot; And &quot;if i shoot for the stars I&#039;ll get blamed and possibly lose my job/status/membership at the country club etc.&quot; So we are back to William&#039;s point: build great companies and you&#039;ll take over Europe. Or move to the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@all the Fred Destin bashers out there:</p>
<p>1) you&#8217;ve obviously never met him</p>
<p>2) he is one of the most forward thinking and risk taking VCs out there so let&#8217;s encourage him rather </p>
<p>3) he truly cares</p>
<p>@william: great points. Companies are bought not sold.</p>
<p>@richard: we made three investments in the US this fall: all are pre-revenue companies BUT they are headed by recognized entrepreneurs AND they&#8217;ve made massive headway on no money. </p>
<p>@kathy: Klaus wasn&#8217;t the first angel investor in Skype. Morten Lund was. Klaus was one of the first but he did re-invest at a whooping eight figure valuation and that takes massive b@lls&#8230;</p>
<p>@Mike: Klaus stands out so starkly given his successes that he reminds us there should be 10,000 Klauses across Europe. We&#8217;ll take a thousand <img src='http://eu.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Lastly I think the biggest problem is not European Media companies in general but their management culture. European Management is so cautious they&#8217;d rather have a small loss of 2% this year than shoot for a +20%. Thinking goes like this: &#8220;let&#8217;s blame it on the crisis and I keep my job.&#8221; And &#8220;if i shoot for the stars I&#8217;ll get blamed and possibly lose my job/status/membership at the country club etc.&#8221; So we are back to William&#8217;s point: build great companies and you&#8217;ll take over Europe. Or move to the US.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald Hamilton &#187; Never a True Word said with an &#8220;F&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donald Hamilton &#187; Never a True Word said with an &#8220;F&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jan Simmonds</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jan Simmonds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They say &#039;opinions are like assholes, everyone&#039;s got one&#039;, but in Martin&#039;s case he is quite simply one of the coolest European investors and executors and is an exception to the rule. His post is a good one with a lot of merit for the defence.... http://bit.ly/75AykO - &quot;The Burdens in the life of the American Entrepreneur or Why Europe’s GDP is largest in the World&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They say &#8216;opinions are like assholes, everyone&#8217;s got one&#8217;, but in Martin&#8217;s case he is quite simply one of the coolest European investors and executors and is an exception to the rule. His post is a good one with a lot of merit for the defence&#8230;. <a href="http://bit.ly/75AykO" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/75AykO</a> &#8211; &#8220;The Burdens in the life of the American Entrepreneur or Why Europe’s GDP is largest in the World&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Destin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Destin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great point.  There was actually some detailed economic studies relayed by Martin Wolf from the FT indicating that the massive productivity gains that the US enjoyed through the last 20 years could be fairly clearly attributed to the continued adoption of new / unproven technology by established, large corporates in revolutionising every aspect of their value chain, Walmart being a prime and massive example.  European corporates by contrast are shy and tend to be both late adopters and, confusingly, spend too much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great point.  There was actually some detailed economic studies relayed by Martin Wolf from the FT indicating that the massive productivity gains that the US enjoyed through the last 20 years could be fairly clearly attributed to the continued adoption of new / unproven technology by established, large corporates in revolutionising every aspect of their value chain, Walmart being a prime and massive example.  European corporates by contrast are shy and tend to be both late adopters and, confusingly, spend too much.</p>
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		<title>By: Keld van Schreven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keld van Schreven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought Klaus H. gave some insight into how he thinks and its rare to hear it, so it was fascinating.  To comment on Williams post 1.) My all time favourite is Geocities and Yahoo. Yahoo paid $10,000 for each FREE website account! 3.) We have a very long history of US firms acquiring European companies, its very well established, Klaus H. was really saying &#039;Lets keep it all in Europe and take on America - hell yeah! type attitude&#039;. To which everyone went silent and very quiet. And also maybe he was having a go at the Yahoo guy next to him :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought Klaus H. gave some insight into how he thinks and its rare to hear it, so it was fascinating.  To comment on Williams post 1.) My all time favourite is Geocities and Yahoo. Yahoo paid $10,000 for each FREE website account! 3.) We have a very long history of US firms acquiring European companies, its very well established, Klaus H. was really saying &#8216;Lets keep it all in Europe and take on America &#8211; hell yeah! type attitude&#8217;. To which everyone went silent and very quiet. And also maybe he was having a go at the Yahoo guy next to him <img src='http://eu.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jabba The Hut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jabba The Hut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As interesting was his comment &#039;Why are you so good?&#039; to which he replied &#039;Luck!&#039;. Respect the Hommels. Anyone who gets into to a personal share offer from Zuckerberg and Shak knows where its going. I&#039;d like to see his contact list. We need Hommels x 10. Bleeeurrghkkkk!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As interesting was his comment &#8216;Why are you so good?&#8217; to which he replied &#8216;Luck!&#8217;. Respect the Hommels. Anyone who gets into to a personal share offer from Zuckerberg and Shak knows where its going. I&#8217;d like to see his contact list. We need Hommels x 10. Bleeeurrghkkkk!</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Steve i am from Europe, but now i live in the US. VC company that could fill the gap of my missing ingredient? How is it called?! Where is it gonna be at?

Regarding what you said... about launching a product and having other competitors, that charge less or nothing, is one of the problems that i wanted to talk about too.

How can you invest on your own (money + effort) to be above their alternatives and still not charge anything on the users end, at least till somebody will see you out there? 

Servers costs, maintenance costs, advertising costs, etc...

You</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Steve i am from Europe, but now i live in the US. VC company that could fill the gap of my missing ingredient? How is it called?! Where is it gonna be at?</p>
<p>Regarding what you said&#8230; about launching a product and having other competitors, that charge less or nothing, is one of the problems that i wanted to talk about too.</p>
<p>How can you invest on your own (money + effort) to be above their alternatives and still not charge anything on the users end, at least till somebody will see you out there? </p>
<p>Servers costs, maintenance costs, advertising costs, etc&#8230;</p>
<p>You</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Adrian, there is going to be an VC company filling that gap quite soon. Were are you located?

@Engago: Great, you should have heard Oleg Tscheltzoff (founder footolia) on NOAH Conference. He basically advised everyone to bootstrap their business: Do not waste time and do not waste money. And I have to admit: If you do not have any VC money you basically do not care how to spend money. You will care every day how to make money and save money.

So here is my problem: We are just rolling out a new product. Our first plans were to charge everone for a superior set of features our product was offering. Then we realized there are two VC backed companies giving away an inferior product with less functionality - but for free. Most people opt for the free products. Even if they have to cut back on functionality.

So we are forced to gain market share by offering a freemium model. Everyone would pay for this type of product in general if the VC backed companies wouldn´t give it away for free. It´s ruining the market. For them and for us. 

It reminds me of 1999 where market share and turnover were higher rated than sustainability and profitabibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Adrian, there is going to be an VC company filling that gap quite soon. Were are you located?</p>
<p>@Engago: Great, you should have heard Oleg Tscheltzoff (founder footolia) on NOAH Conference. He basically advised everyone to bootstrap their business: Do not waste time and do not waste money. And I have to admit: If you do not have any VC money you basically do not care how to spend money. You will care every day how to make money and save money.</p>
<p>So here is my problem: We are just rolling out a new product. Our first plans were to charge everone for a superior set of features our product was offering. Then we realized there are two VC backed companies giving away an inferior product with less functionality &#8211; but for free. Most people opt for the free products. Even if they have to cut back on functionality.</p>
<p>So we are forced to gain market share by offering a freemium model. Everyone would pay for this type of product in general if the VC backed companies wouldn´t give it away for free. It´s ruining the market. For them and for us. </p>
<p>It reminds me of 1999 where market share and turnover were higher rated than sustainability and profitabibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Bird</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Bird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It concerns me when people try and equate the US and European markets. The US is truly one market. Europe is a collection of smaller markets, each of which can have a very different culture. Depending on the service your business is providing this can require very different approaches.

In our experience, having launched our service in the UK, Spain, France and Ireland so far, the &#039;one size fits all&#039; approach really doesn&#039;t cut it. You have to have a local tailored offering to be truly successful. Which entails a significant investment that a start-up trying to prove their business in many cases will find it too hard to make.

This makes for a very different investment opportunity. The opportunity in the EU to de-risk a super-scalable business is greatly reduced in comparison to the US.

VCs and acquirers are understandably looking for the biggest wins for the lowest risk. The US market is far bigger than any one European country.

As Europeans, I would contend that we shouldn&#039;t be trying to ape the US and dream of the apocryphal gold-paved streets of Silicon Valley. 

Instead, we should focus building businesses that are suited to the markets we operate in. That way we generate real and realisable value for our shareholders.</description>
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<p>In our experience, having launched our service in the UK, Spain, France and Ireland so far, the &#8216;one size fits all&#8217; approach really doesn&#8217;t cut it. You have to have a local tailored offering to be truly successful. Which entails a significant investment that a start-up trying to prove their business in many cases will find it too hard to make.</p>
<p>This makes for a very different investment opportunity. The opportunity in the EU to de-risk a super-scalable business is greatly reduced in comparison to the US.</p>
<p>VCs and acquirers are understandably looking for the biggest wins for the lowest risk. The US market is far bigger than any one European country.</p>
<p>As Europeans, I would contend that we shouldn&#8217;t be trying to ape the US and dream of the apocryphal gold-paved streets of Silicon Valley. </p>
<p>Instead, we should focus building businesses that are suited to the markets we operate in. That way we generate real and realisable value for our shareholders.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I follow these articles carefully; while i understand the fact that you need to develop something in order to present it as a business idea, i also understand the cutting of development time, meaning you program all the necessary stuff, in the most non orthodox ways.  

This will not result into a highly scalable platform/app in 90% of the cases.

Now to somehow hit my problem, i am a developer, always had ideas. At the beginning i wasn&#039;t able to craete something, because i did not have any experience. Now that i am able to produce &quot;stuff&quot;, i realize i miss the key ingredient, somebody who can sell my ideas to a VC to an Angel Investor. 

How do you find that key ingredient when you know that you are not capable of doing that?!

Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I follow these articles carefully; while i understand the fact that you need to develop something in order to present it as a business idea, i also understand the cutting of development time, meaning you program all the necessary stuff, in the most non orthodox ways.  </p>
<p>This will not result into a highly scalable platform/app in 90% of the cases.</p>
<p>Now to somehow hit my problem, i am a developer, always had ideas. At the beginning i wasn&#8217;t able to craete something, because i did not have any experience. Now that i am able to produce &#8220;stuff&#8221;, i realize i miss the key ingredient, somebody who can sell my ideas to a VC to an Angel Investor. </p>
<p>How do you find that key ingredient when you know that you are not capable of doing that?!</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: The European startup view from the sidelines &#8211; Who is Farhan Lalji?</title>
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		<dc:creator>The European startup view from the sidelines &#8211; Who is Farhan Lalji?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 13:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A lot of comments on the post, most of them rhetoric and finger pointing, Fred Destin – another EU VC – got into a bit and as a result was attacked by trolls. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Fabio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fabio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 13:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree, great comment.</description>
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		<title>By: Ezequiel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ezequiel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 13:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am also an entrepreneur (and have been since 1998). 

I have invested my own money, and I have also pitched to VCs in SV, in the EU, and in IL, with the broadest range of results, from spectacularly well to spectacularly bad.

There are good VCs and bad VCs, just as there are good and bad doctors, pianists, and referees. And some of the ugly things about VCs I believe just come with the job: the cockiness, the short attention span, etc - this is all regardless of where they operate.

There are, however, a couple of features that characterise EU VC and that I find particularly irritating:

1. They are overcautious - about everything: about money, about valuations, about ideas, about people, about growth... 

2. Their snottiness is, with very few notable exceptions, completely baseless - their hits (if any) really belong to their US HQ while the local staff&#039;s track record is questionable, to say the least. Perhaps Accel Partners provides the best example of this lot.

3. They like inbreeding - a lot. Yes, knowing the people from previous investments helps but this is not the Church of Scientology, you know? For examples, look at Index V.

All in all, I agree with many of your comments: venture capital in Europe *is* a million miles better than 10 yrs ago; you don&#039;t need $5m to start up and online business today; and some TC readers *do* like to rant (about pretty much anything).

EU VC are not to blame for the state of the IPO markets or the media companies in Europe. But they could certainly contribute in turning things around, especially by working more closely with large EU holdings and regulators - after all, they have more at stake than anyone else, don&#039;t they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am also an entrepreneur (and have been since 1998). </p>
<p>I have invested my own money, and I have also pitched to VCs in SV, in the EU, and in IL, with the broadest range of results, from spectacularly well to spectacularly bad.</p>
<p>There are good VCs and bad VCs, just as there are good and bad doctors, pianists, and referees. And some of the ugly things about VCs I believe just come with the job: the cockiness, the short attention span, etc &#8211; this is all regardless of where they operate.</p>
<p>There are, however, a couple of features that characterise EU VC and that I find particularly irritating:</p>
<p>1. They are overcautious &#8211; about everything: about money, about valuations, about ideas, about people, about growth&#8230; </p>
<p>2. Their snottiness is, with very few notable exceptions, completely baseless &#8211; their hits (if any) really belong to their US HQ while the local staff&#8217;s track record is questionable, to say the least. Perhaps Accel Partners provides the best example of this lot.</p>
<p>3. They like inbreeding &#8211; a lot. Yes, knowing the people from previous investments helps but this is not the Church of Scientology, you know? For examples, look at Index V.</p>
<p>All in all, I agree with many of your comments: venture capital in Europe *is* a million miles better than 10 yrs ago; you don&#8217;t need $5m to start up and online business today; and some TC readers *do* like to rant (about pretty much anything).</p>
<p>EU VC are not to blame for the state of the IPO markets or the media companies in Europe. But they could certainly contribute in turning things around, especially by working more closely with large EU holdings and regulators &#8211; after all, they have more at stake than anyone else, don&#8217;t they?</p>
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