Well I don’t know. There’s lots of Qt coders, 250millions of devices will be still shipped (most of the Nokia customers don’t even know what Symbian is or whether it’s going to die) and Qt is the most easiest platform out there currently. So I would say we will see apps. Also Elop was almost changing his opinion about bringing Qt to WP so we might see it there. It’s strategically good move if he makes that, I’m sure he will figure out himself as well.

Shot yourself in the foot here, Nokia. I’m willing to get a MeeGo-based device. At least if Nokia ever stops supporting it, the community will take over thanks to it’s open source nature.

Meego is shaping up to be the OS of choice for a lot of embedded guys (car info systems, etc). Also, Qt is the best way to create cross-platform desktop apps – just look at Skype or Google Earth as examples.

You could say that Qt never really started as a mobile system, so nothing is really lost there.

Shitty OS, stupid name…Android FTW

It is true ,that the general Nokia users never know about Symbian and QT ,so Nokia will be able to keep selling Symbian based devices until it decides to stop,to the mid and low level market. But geeks know that it will now go longer ,so will not pay much interest on developing solutions for a dieing platform.

It seems historey is repeating itself with the N900 where any decent apps development dried up once meego was announced. N900 owners are still awaiting for Nokia themselves to release a fully working Nokia/ovi maps!!!

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I won’t.

1. Write a Qt app. Target 200 million existing devices, and 150 million more coming.
2. Your app works on MeeGo, if MeeGo actually happens.
3. Profit.

You could ignore the fact that Nokia make devices on both Symbian and WP7, and just say “I need an iOS app, an Android app, a webOS app, a BlackBerry app, a WP7 app and a Qt app”. Did I forget Bada?

250 million upcoming devices (plus 100million that are already Qt compatible) is more than there’s iOS devices. Do you develop on iPhone?

I welcome the change since developing for Nokia was a nightmare anyways. Trying to decipher platforms, legacy compatibility, and beta libraries was one of the worst development experiences I ever had. Nothing is more frustrating than creating a cool Qt Quick application only to find out that Qt Quick isn’t supported in the Ovi store yet and no specific timelines have been set for when it will be supported. This wasn’t made clear and there is so much old and conflicting information on Forum Nokia that trying to make sense of it is quite difficult. The real irony is that Qt Quick is a pretty good UI codebase and I was finally able to make smooth animations and transitions in my Nokia app giving it a higher-quality “iPhone” or “Android” feel. In my opinion given some time Qt Quick might have made Nokia applications more competitive with the other smart phone apps although the Symbian ^3 OS was still not even remotely competitive with iOS or Android.

Nokia aren’t a burning platform company. They’re a no platform company.

The latter is worse.

Well it’s open source so surely there will be apps.

Fuck, I hope QT lives on. Meego could really have been great. Nokia really fucked up here, and they’re just going to be another HTC, LG, etc, hardware maker with no differentiation.

Sure, they have global distribution, global brand acknowledgment, and global presence for phones, but in 5 or so years from now they’re going to lose footing to AGAIN HTC, LG, Motorola, etc.

Meego was going to seperate Nokia and QT is an unbelievable platform. What the fuck is Nokia thinking? Oh yeah, it’s this stupid Microsoft CEO who is only looking at Microsoft interests considering he’s the 7th largest holder of Microsoft stock. Why did the Nokia board appoint this guy as CEO. Fuck fuck fuck. I hope the QT environment is still profitable for developers, my livelihood could very well depend on it.

It makes a lot a sense for Nokia to gradually kill off the small players such as MeeGo and Symbian. Nokia survival depends on a strong alliance and Nokia chose Microsoft. Microsoft has gained famed from coming from behind and demolishing its competitors. Just look at Bing closely and you will notice a huge improvement from what it was several months ago. Phone 7 software will evolve into an exciting platform because Microsoft is totally focused on making it become the number one and close to number one cell phone platform.

Its true that the average Symbian user may have been clueless to the Symbian ecosystem. They certainly seemed to the excellent alternatives. But then Elop comes out HAIR ON FIRE…. with his PLATFORM ON FIRE memo and ever Symbian user south of the Arctic Circle is aware of the dead in the water status of Symbian. This kind of circus atmosphere leads to the dreaded unintended consequences syndrome. And surely thats what the stock markets in the US and Europe reflected on Friday.

Its true that the average Symbian user may have been clueless to the Symbian ecosystem. They certainly seemed to the excellent alternatives. But then Elop comes out HAIR ON FIRE…. with his PLATFORM ON FIRE memo and ever Symbian user south of the Arctic Circle is aware of the dead in the water status of Symbian. This kind of circus atmosphere leads to the dreaded unintended consequences syndrome. And surely thats what the stock markets in the US and Europe reflected on Friday.

Its true that the average Symbian user may have been clueless to the Symbian ecosystem. They certainly seemed to the excellent alternatives. But then Elop comes out HAIR ON FIRE…. with his PLATFORM ON FIRE memo and ever Symbian user south of the Arctic Circle is aware of the dead in the water status of Symbian. This kind of circus atmosphere leads to the dreaded unintended consequences syndrome. And surely thats what the stock markets in the US and Europe reflected on Friday.

Elop (The Microsoft Belluzzo mole at Nokia) is just giving lip service to Nokia employees and developers so no one looks too hard at this deal until it is too late and Nokia is completely in Microsoft’s pocket.

Too bad Nokia didn’t go the Android way. I would have bought an Android-powered Nokia device – a good combination of hardware and software. Windows Phone is just not my cup of tea.

I have to disagree with the previous comments. Developing for MeeGo, in comparison to iOS, Android, WP7 and yes, even, BlackBerry, is a pain. One simply cannot expect 3rd party developers to go through the hassle of having to recompile the kernel every time a new update is released! I agree that Android would have been appealing right now, mainly because we all know how polished Android is right now. But don’t count Windows out yet.

Nokia has a lot of work to prove its worth right now, yes, as does WP7. But, it’s not insurmountable. Far from it. In tech, the giants of yesterday become the minions of tomorrow. And wp7 has a good, polished UI and integration with XBox Live, something not many other platforms can boast of.

Besides, would you have really preferred that this was a 2-horse race?

I have to disagree with the previous comments. Developing for MeeGo, in comparison to iOS, Android, WP7 and yes, even, BlackBerry, is a pain. One simply cannot expect 3rd party developers to go through the hassle of having to recompile the kernel every time a new update is released! I agree that Android would have been appealing right now, mainly because we all know how polished Android is right now. But don’t count Windows out yet.

Nokia has a lot of work to prove its worth right now, yes, as does WP7. But, it’s not insurmountable. Far from it. In tech, the giants of yesterday become the minions of tomorrow. And wp7 has a good, polished UI and integration with XBox Live, something not many other platforms can boast of.

Besides, would you have really preferred that this was a 2-horse race?

They have no choice to support or give it to some other company or foundation. The framework is already used by major corporations and agencies.

They have no choice to support or give it to some other company or foundation. The framework is already used by major corporations and agencies.

There will be a place for legacy.

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Meego wasn’t yielding results fast enough to be a viable option as a new entry to the mobile OS market. Therefore, I understand that Nokia looked for an alternative. That said, I do think it is a HUGE conflict of interest to partner with a company that your CEO has a large investment in.

Nokia considers Symbian a “burning platform”, WP7 – icy waters. But the man can not live in icy waters, therefore he should build a new platform, MeeGo.
The problem here is that the icy water can just rescue the man from the fire, merely deferring his death. He will be either frozen to death or eaten by hungry sharks. It is also unrealistic for him to build a new platform while being in the icy water.

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With all (soon to be) ex-Nokia developers plus all others that Nokia lured into coding Qt for mobile, and an almost ready new open source platform there’s surely potential for start-ups. The soon to be released Alien Dalvik could help in keeping MeeGo attractive to consumers, since they’d have access to Android apps plus the more ‘real computer’-like features of MeeGo that no major platform offers. However, Alien Dalvik doesn’t help Qt-developers much… only indirectly by potentially helping MeeGo grow. I really hope and feel that something really good will grow out of what Nokia threw away, there is a need for an open (non-Google centered) mobile computing platform!

The Meego Community help is needed now! The sooner Meego comes alive and kicking, the sooner Nokia can built product on top of it. Once first product is out nexts are easier to make on top of it.

MeeGo is the heritage of Linux, and Nokia wants to take advantage of it. I think thing it will not work out. It is very similar to what Microsoft wanted to do with Windows Mobile, a scaled down version of Windows.

MeeGo is the heritage of Linux, and Nokia wants to take advantage of it. I think thing it will not work out. It is very similar to what Microsoft wanted to do with Windows Mobile, a scaled down version of Windows.

Since Johnny Lee went to Google, it looks like the three or four “really good” programmers at Microsoft won’t be developing Kinetic games for much longer.

Instead this crack team of three or four “really good” programmers will be re-tasked with copying thousands of the 300,000 apps to WindowsPhone7 platform.

I hear one of the first out the gate will an “Angry Birds” clone.

most easy? Can you even write Qt apps (for phones) in high-level languages? Or are you forced to use C?

Which devices are you talking about?

Which devices are you talking about?

Of course, it worked for Java, right?
Oh wait, no. Java for end-users was a disaster, poor usability and compatibility, dozens of different profiles to target ANYWAY, harder to trace handset problems, etc.. It was great for back-end server developers, but good user experiences need more than write once run anywhere, and honestly, HTML5 is what’s getting that attention, not Qt.

I see a sale of Qt and other Linux pieces to Red Hat in the near future.

As for Symbian i already thought replacing it with Windows Phone would be better for Nokia, but MeeGo? it was the one i was waiting for! i don’t know how Elop made this decision, after this announcement i see Nokia as something less than Samsung which has Android, Windows Phone and Bada, also HTC is competing with them with Android and Windows Phone, so other vendors will have more flavors OS wise while Nokia will have to differentiate with its handset designs which still won’t be enough. Again, returning to the platform issue, i thought Nokia will push Symbian down market (for a while) and replace it with Windows Phone, and continue to develop MeeGo at a faster pace and use it on high-end:

looks like this:

High End: MeeGo (a key differentiator to make Nokia compete with the likes of Apple with a unique experience)
High End & Midrange: Windows Phone (Good platform – but many manufacturers will have it)
Low End: Symbian S60 replacing S40 until the platform really burns.

i also thought it would be a good idea if Nokia just made QT able to develop for Windows Phone, by this it will not throw developers in the dust and could very well benefit from Windows Phone Developers building for Windows Phone and MeeGo at the same time, this would have at least gave a push to MeeGo’s eco-system… but damn, Elop just screwd all that, and now Nokia is lost! i think people will come asking to fire Stephen Elop like Chris Bangle… Are Americans a Trojan-Horse to European Businesses? Maybe!

2.2. Your app also works on webOS.

Doesn’t the average iOS user buy/download 30-50 apps and the average Symbian user buy/downloads 3-5? Unless there are 1B symbian devices, iOS is the better ecosystem to develop for (more so now that Symbian is dead.) Also how the hell are they going to sell another 250M Symbian devices? It’s market share is dropping like a rock. If they were really going to sell another 250M devices I have to question whether or not the WP7 surrender was necessary.

unfortunately youre right

Yes they are going to sell 150+ Symbian devices but the problem is it is for low-mid end consumers that means the profit is really small. And those consumers who buy symbian devices are not really in to downloading any apps. So the profit margin compared to iOS is really small. Thats why Nokia jumped from MeeGo to WP7 (Which I think it is going to end up being a huge disaster) to get more profit.

You can use Python

Good point: 200 million is the number of “Symbian users worldwide”, and 50 million is the number of “Qt capable Symbian smartphones already in use”. Sorry for the confusion.

(Source: http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/nokia-developer-news/2011/02/11/letter-to-developers, amongst others.)

Good point: 200 million is the number of “Symbian users worldwide”, and 50 million is the number of “Qt capable Symbian smartphones already in use”. Sorry for the confusion.

(Source: http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/nokia-developer-news/2011/02/11/letter-to-developers, amongst others.)

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@Mike Butcher,
If you have time and interest, read this: http://blog.qt.nokia.com/

Nokia owns Qt. It is not killing off Qt. Also they are researching on using Qt in S3/S40 phones along with Symbian,Meego and other desktop apps.
They will use Qt when they use Meego for the next technology breakthrough(which Elop calls disruption).
I am pretty sure they will do some very secret research work related to Meego for the next 3-5 years to come back with a bang until which WP will be their primary

For the uninitiated, Meego is NOT an operating system for ONLY handsets, it is also for tablets, in-vehicle systems, netbooks, and of course Handsets, Meego will not die intel has already stated that they will keep going with it, I think folks should let the news die as Nokia will for even jumping onto the WP7 bandwagon. Nokia has made a huge mistake by going and partnering with M$.

Again Meego is not going anywhere!!!!

What developers bothered before?

Yeah, this continued insistence on Symbian and MeeGo is quite “Microsoftopian” if you think about it. Nokia’s decision making has been its biggest failing and from what I’m seeing it continues to be. Aside from Symbian, the only other “mobile” OS out there with the kind of uncertainty, listlessness and lack of commitment attached to it is Windows 7 Phone. Maybe that’s why they couldn’t resist it: too much like home. Though in a steeple chase W7P was almost a sure bet at being second to last vs. Symbian’s dead last so this is an improvement. If only they realized this was about last.

I don’t know a lot about MeeGo but I do see that Apple is definitely moving and Google struggling, towards a consistent experience across multiple form factors and eventually TV. MeeGo’s existence in car radios and other mobile devices potentially created an incentive for adoption. Look at Motorola. They’ve been at this a long time so maybe its no wonder that now all of a sudden they’re using their phone factory to jump right back into computing. Maybe none of us should be surprised that a maker of set top boxes for cable companies is demoing TV functionality for its latest computing/communications hybrid device. Obviously they are going to have to do better on the TV side, but its clear they get it. Now it’s Googles turn. Maybe this is what the MS ARM announcement was about, but seriously, like Nokia could Microsoft improve on their ability not to articulate a clear vision. You’d think that alone would make Nokia nervous.

Ok so i do not understand you whole article. First of all there was no redeeming Symbian or you are suggesting otherwise? Secondly Meego was going so slow that they would have come back with a real device in 2 years and would there be any market left after 2 years. Even then it was all the speculation. Intel was not any serious about it.

So what do Nokia was supposed to do. Adopt Andriod. What difference would it make to Nokia if they adopt Android or WP7. No difference at all except there are more apps on Android and it is a much mature platform compared to WP7.

All your whining is because Nokia chose WP7 instead of Android and dumped Symbian and Meego. Really man get a grip and write something better than whining on the choice that Nokia made.

Ok so i do not understand you whole article. First of all there was no redeeming Symbian or you are suggesting otherwise? Secondly Meego was going so slow that they would have come back with a real device in 2 years and would there be any market left after 2 years. Even then it was all the speculation. Intel was not any serious about it.

So what do Nokia was supposed to do. Adopt Andriod. What difference would it make to Nokia if they adopt Android or WP7. No difference at all except there are more apps on Android and it is a much mature platform compared to WP7.

All your whining is because Nokia chose WP7 instead of Android and dumped Symbian and Meego. Really man get a grip and write something better than whining on the choice that Nokia made.

Hi Guys, long time Nokia user here, I think that all in all what wins out is glitz and glamour. Stupid people buy Iphone’s I know because I have really stupid friends always going to me “Hey look at this” and they show me a game where you move logs around to pass one through a hole. They like the smoothness of the phone and they like to push big buttons. The geeks on here all have their ideas and opinions, but the general public is very dumb when it comes to operating systems and phones. This is what sells cell phones, glitz and glamour to show off to your friends and family members. Nokia joins that pool of glitz and glamour with WP7, when the phones come out, people don’t care about what WP7 offers vs Android vs IOS, only geeks care about external memory and removable batteries and adobe flash. The phones will sell because people will know brand recognition of Nokia and say, “hey that looks so cool” and will buy it not knowing that they can’t even play a divx movie online.

Good luck Nokia, I hope you’ll get alot of money from this and that the company will be able to use these new revenues so I’ll be able to at least get a couple of updates a year with Meego. WP7 is for Mass population, Meego is for the geeks. So for all the geeks out there, stop complaining Symbian wasn’t built for smartphones ok, you’ll get Meego step 1 of 5 or whatever its at now, but its a niche market so we can have our ps1 emulators.

the framework was already used….
Mobs4u
http://www.mobs4u.co.uk

To my knowledge Qt is now LGPL (honest thanks to Nokia for that!), so what is there to sell? What is probably happening is a fork by a FOSS foundation I’m guessing.

Say what, webOS will incorporate Qt? Cool!

Looks like Oracle is also affected by the nokia/microsoft alliance. It makes J2ME less and less relevant with Symbian gone totally. Once Blackberry moves to QNX, Oracle will have no major vendor using J2ME.

QT will live while Nokia slowly gets borged

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sharks dont live in icy waters.

I believe he said that Symbian S40 and S60 will still be operational for low end phones. Most of phone users in Africa still use that. As for Symbian ^3/WP7 problem, he felt they were making a negative progress, i still havent used windows phone to tell the difference btw it and Symbian^3

…and with QML, which is just like javascript

…and with QML, which is just like javascript

I simply do not understand what Nokia gains by this, they have shot themselves in the foot. They are aligning themselves with simple hardware manufacturers and thus killing any chance of being as relevant as Apple or Google. In fact they will now become less relevant than RIM or even HP (Hello Web OS).

Nokia’s biggest problem has been quality of execution. Anybody who has remotely studied Business can see this. They do – sorry did – the right things (first to introduce apps), they just did them poorly and painfully slow. All Elop had to do was focus EVERYONE on MeeGo, and let Symbian die slowly. Qt was the best idea they had in a long time, and if it allowed native Android apps to run on their phones as has been shown recently, they would not need to worry about their ecosystem for even a second. Developers would simply upload to the – also currently poorly executed – Ovi store, and bang, 100,000 apps on launch overnight!

Nokia could then differentiate it’s usually superior hardware from other vendors by adding extra Nokia security and features to it’s MeeGo OS, and reclaim the market share lost to Android with ease. At which point HTC, Samsung, Sony Ericsson et al would be asking for licenced use of the MeeGO OS.

2 things then. Focus on quality, focus on speed. The only changes which were required at Nokia. Elop is coming across like a Microsoft puppet, as all this move does is increase exposure to their OS by living off the Nokia name. Adding WP7 to Nokia’s handsets does nothing for Nokia.

Elop also mentioned last night that Qt is relevant for a quarter of a billion existing “and new” Symbian devices.

I’ll develop for Symbian and I’d be happy to do that alone. Today I don’t give a shit about 2012-2013, currently there are over 50m active Symbian touch devices in use, every single one of them on the same resolution running on 2 different engines only.

Oh yeah, and the competition there is somewhat far away from android and iOS. You can actually get some visibility (aka business) there without massive investments and/or once in a lifetime random jackpot.

I’ll reconsider this when the Symbian is actually dead, and by dead I mean it is no longer in use by shitload of people.

No, no, no… This is about strategic alliances. Look, I’m disappointed in MeeGo being shoved aside as well as Symbian, but Android couldn’t be the answer strategically because Nokia needs to move handsets. The other Windows Phone 7 manufacturers (Samsung, HTC and LG) are much more invested in using Android as their primary platform. There is that much more competition for Nokia as a new player in the Android landscape. Samsung, Sony, HTC, Dell and LG have had much more time to work on customizing UI’s for Android than Nokia would have at this late date and though these companies may have WP7, Microsoft has not allowed them to customize it.

Now, strategic alliances… If MeeGo had been anywhere near completion, we wouldn’t be discussing this because Nokia would be in a good place. Intel and Nokia needed each other because they were both late entries into the smartphone game and they could have supported each other. I have to wonder how much of the blame has to fall on Intel because no one, not even Microsoft, has moved forward on an Intel based chip. Nokia waited as long as investors could tolerate it. So, as Samsung is really Nokia’s global competition, it’s clear, the best partner for Nokia to choose to differentiate itself (without sticking with Symbian or waiting on MeeGo) was Microsoft. Samsung sells parts to Apple and Android is thier primary platform. Now, Nokia will be able to modify the UI for WP7 to some extent and complete their ecosystem.

Plus Microsoft was willing to pay them handsomely for their partnership.

wiki “Greenland shark”, but you could count yourself as damn unlucky if you were bitten by one!

Annoying unrelated estimate: humans kill 100 million sharks a year. Good news if you like squid; bad news for everybody else.

Elop will not improve company bottom line, rough times ahead of Nokia….

you think it’s not worth developing something for hundreds of millions of users?

Spot on! Can’t say any better

I’m still struggling to see any intelligence in Elop.

He’s announced nokia that symbian is dead, thats the QT developers platform is essentially also dead moving forward, that meego is dead, that customers with phones that are supposed flagship models like the n8 are actually piles of UI crap, with rubbish software and that the symbian development program is aimed at 3rd world or backups from now on… Its like someone said when he joined “how fast can you mess up this market leading company”

What mobile company says, we are moving to a new platform before they even started building a phone… Its total madness, he’s killing his own marketshare, waving goodbye to the developers that made the company, and putting loyal customers in an impossible situation when looking to upgrade before the WP7 phones arrive. First phones potentially by middle of next year means everyone due an upgrade will have to choose based on all this news. Who will be buying n8′s and e7′s knowing the phone is basically using a dead OS.

He’s pretty much stuck two fingers up at everyone, the customers, the developers, google, intel.
All except microsoft (who basically must be laughing, gain massive marketshare, kill off opposing OS’s, and provide nothing).

Why Nokia didn’t do a deal with MS, build a phone then announce symbians demise would have made more sense, but beyond that though, I wonder why if Nokia is throwing their own OS out and embracing 3rd party partnerships like the WP& one, why they applied themselves to anyone at all, HTC make windows phones AND android, why not nokia?

Everyone was damning Symbian, saying Nokia is loosing market share, that it was old, ancient, and outdated,

But I don’t think it was the symbian OS itself that saw the customers shift to android or iphones, it was the UI… the operating system functionality is pretty good for a user, but pick up a new nokia N8, its not a pretty UI compared to the HTC sense interface say, to install apps can be a pain, you find functions in symbian you think cool, but think why wasn’t I told it was there.

Customers wanted a nice looking interface, but symbian 3 compared to WP7, android or the iphone is ugly. Functional but ugly, if nokia spent money of icon designers, UI and inteface designers rather than just techs maybe people would be drooling over symbian.

Nokia still make the best hardware, thats important to customers, so if your getting out of the OS market why not just make great phones and let the customer decide what OS they want, thats why HTC are making massive strides, they started on Windows phone, but only after adopting multiple platforms did they see massive gains.

I still did buy symbian even after the announcement, only because video is important for me, but everyone else says your mad now.

No its not.. Development is not overnight, alot of energy is put into making apps.. As a semi developer.. It is stopping me.. Why develop something when in a year or two i am going to have to rewrite all my code. Blaaa thats the worst. Anyhow no that time is now spent learning a new framework other then QT.. Fun let me tell ya.

Hope you speak 80 different languages, your going to have a tough time reaching those 50m users.. since maybe a million if even are from the US.

Hope you speak 80 different languages, your going to have a tough time reaching those 50m users.. since maybe a million if even are from the US.

Yes but if Nokia actually invested in the n900/maemo, marketed and matured it for general (dumb) population, it could have been a huge success. Maemo’s UI is awesome even for non geeks.. 4 home screens, smooth transistion, widgets.. MS has a tough time impressing me just from that standpoint.

Qt will continue to be the development framework for Symbian and Nokia will use Symbian for further devices; continuing to develop strategic applications in Qt for Symbian platform and encouraging application developers to do the same. With 200 million users worldwide and Nokia planning to sell around 150 million more Symbian devices, Symbian still offers unparalleled geographical scale for developers.
Extending the scope of Qt further will be our first MeeGo-related open source device, which we plan to ship later this year. Though our plans for MeeGo have been adapted in light of our planned partnership with Microsoft, that device will be compatible with applications developed within the Qt framework and so give Qt developers a further device to target.

Look What Windows Phone Engineering offer ideas on building the next great mobile software developer opportunity: http://www.forum.nokia.com/nokia-microsoft.xhtml

I can’t beleive this has happened. For two years, i’ve been hyped on symbian/Nokia/python for S60. That’s all gone now. I guess there’s a Blackberry in my future.

Hi there, anyone can tell me how many active developers are using Symbian right now ?
Thanks a lot !

Apparently Nokia’s new partnership with Polar Mobile will bring over hundreds of new apps to both Symbian and “MeeGo”…. So…. the future is still bright