Why British geeks just can’t bear to look a TSB gift horse in the mouth
by Guest Author
on April 9, 2011

Last week the UK’s Technology Strategy Board, run by the government as a booster of the tech business world, unveiled a new £1m fund to support “digital businesses” in the small area around Old Street and Shoreditch in East London (known as ‘Silicon Roundabout’). The announcement was badly handled as it lacked detail. But instead of asking for more detail (and getting it), the tech community has let loose with both barrels. Why, asks Daniel Tenner, the founder of GrantTree and Woobius (a collaboration hub for architects), is this? He also blogs on swombat.com. You can follow him on Twitter here.

The questioner, looking nonchalant but determined, was in his thirties, held a small black dog in his lap and wore thin spectacles.

“I have a question. What’s in it for the taxpayers? Who’s going to be assessing entries and how are they qualified to do that?”

There was a chuckle from the audience, at the obviously antagonistic question. I muttered to the person next to me, “Talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth!”

And that’s what it is, really. Much like the almost pathological backlash against StartupBritain (which, without even being an actual government entity, still manages to keeps on earning the government negative feedback), some people have reacted to the TSB (the UK Government’s “Technology Strategy Board”) announcement on Monday with scorn and anger, actively looking for flaws to criticise, and of course finding a lot of things not to their personal liking.

Case in point: one of the biggest controversies about the StartupBritain initiative was that they pointed people to 99designs, a disruptive Australian startup which provides cost-effective, crowd-sourced design work for logos, web pages, and so on. British designers were quick to outrage, claiming that this was stealing the bread from their very mouths, and they got their way. The useful link to 99designs was replaced by a much less useful link to the Design Business Association.

This was a clear step backwards for users of StartupBritain, since they now are pointed to sources that will quote them thousands of pounds for (maybe) quality design work, instead of being able to get something “ok” out of the door for a fraction of the cost and time, and spend their very scarce money on something more useful. But the naysayers got their way.

The same thing happened on Monday, albeit to a smaller scale (for now). While some questions were extremely useful, pointing to some very real issues with the structure of the Tech City Launchpad grant, some people had clearly turned up with the sole agenda of making their displeasure known, regardless of what was being offered.

In both this and the StartupBritain reaction, there was a common thread: British geeks seem to take government initiatives very personally, and when they find flaws, they seem to believe in the great tech tradition of voicing their criticism loudly, clearly and, if need be, aggressively. In the pub, after Monday’s event, I bumped into that same negativity – “the government isn’t doing enough”, “how dare they spend our tax money this way?” “they should do this, this and this, not the stupid stuff they’re doing!”

As a fellow startup founder and geek myself, I understand where this attitude is coming from, but I find it really disappointing, embarrassing even. Here’s why.

A fundamental misunderstanding

In the geek world – especially the British version – the standard response to almost anything is negative (sometimes constructive) criticism. We like to point out flaws and suggest improvements that seem obvious to us. We value criticism and even look for it. There can be endless arguments about whether this is a good thing for geek communities or not, but it’s a fact.

However, in the political world in which TSB and other political bodies live, this approach is a failure, because it attacks people who aren’t stuck on the same message board with you. They have a choice – to not listen to you and to deal with a different segment of the population, one that doesn’t respond negatively almost all the time.

On a Ruby on Rails forum, telling someone, in so many words, that they just don’t get it and should do things a different way, works some of the time. In the tech world, this very direct approach tends to work, if the other person expects it. In person, with politicians, it just discredits your entire message. Even if you’re right, people will not listen to you if you start by antagonising them. As a bonus, this applies to most non-geeks – not just politicians.

Moreover, the criticism is often misguided. Most of the issues about Monday’s grant announcement were around the requirement of “collaboration” between startups and other enterprises. This requirement was clearly not thought through properly and so it was rightly criticised – but did anyone realise that the day before, TSB had announced another R&D grant, one that is for single companies, and doesn’t suffer from this issue? In addition, since the announcement and the subsequent feedback, the TSB has actually dropped two-company requirement form its Launchpad scheme.

Another incredibly ironic criticism was that this new grant was meant to help startups who have not yet raised funding, and so it was not ideal for those who have already raised money. Indeed, that is absolutely true – the new grant is for those who have not raised funding yet, because all the other TSB grants are for those who have funding already.

Do people really want a single grant scheme that will do everything for everyone?

Another criticism often levelled at the TSB folks is that people don’t know about the grants. That is a very fair criticism too, but hardly one that will be resolved by telling off a high-level TSB official at a meetup which he organised specifically to tell people about a TSB grant.

A better approach

So, my advice to fellow founders is this. First of all, before you criticise, make yourself aware of what the government body in question is doing. You can do so online, or in person (I’ve found in-person meetings to be the most useful). The key is to make an effort to find out more, and to listen (or read) what you get in return. Instead of “this grant is inadequate!”, how about “are there other TSB grants that would be adequate?” The first effect of this approach is that the person you’re talking to will appreciate that you’ve taken the time to understand things, and so they’ll listen to your criticism more openly. And you might find what you’re looking for: there are a fair number of ways that the government is trying to help small businesses, both tech and traditional, if you take the time to look for them.

Then, when you’re presenting your criticism, don’t jump straight to conclusions. Try the following battle-tested approach: “So what you’re saying is _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ . That’s good for _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ , but have you thought of how it would help with _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ?” Politicians and government officials are people too. Treat them as such. Lead them to understand you step by step – don’t just present your solution.

Finally, don’t expect things to change overnight. This is the government we’re talking about. Even if you utterly convince the person in front of you that you’re right, and they’re in the right position to influence things, it will take them months or years to steer the giant oil tanker that is government in a different direction. So, to get your message across, much like with any other part of doing business, you will need to build long-term relationships. Meet with people more than once, and help them understand your views, and you may get into a position where you can influence things for the better.

Of course, you don’t have to spend the time doing all this yourself – and there are plenty of other people, myself included, who are doing their best to build those relationships and get these messages across. But if you don’t want to invest the time in steering this ship, it’s unfair to complain that it’s not going exactly where you want it to go.

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  • http://twitter.com/Nero Milo Yiannopoulos

    I hate British pessimism, but it’s perfectly reasonable for scepticism to be your default position about Government initiatives like this, which rarely achieve anything and which generally return terrible value for the taxpayer. As for this one, well, we’ll see.

  • Spellcheck

    Can’t quite believe I’m reading “bare” in the title. It’s “bear”.

  • Pedant

    But then perhaps you should look up a definition of “bare” – because the original spelling works just as well when referring to feelings and whilst the title provides mixed messages one of its meanings is about feelings; so …..

  • Girlie Geek

    Hang your head in shame Tech Crunch, I thought you were more discerning than to print such absolute drivel as this.

    As for the author… first off, you’re quite wrong to assume ‘geeks’ don’t know what the Technology Strategy Board does, be assured most do. In respect of the comments on how strategically funds are being dished out; if you had a clue, you’d realize that several government orgs have, over the past several years, handed out funding without due diligence, including amongst others NESTA. Consequently, a fair few ‘geeks’ are understandably peeved, many astonished at the lack of infrastructure supporting the government’s aims and the lack of experience employed to guide the funding process. Hence, the skepticism of the parties present at said meeting. Certainly British tech entrepreneurs can be somewhat critical of government policy, but for good reason – the British government has frequently cocked-up (past and present), where others have succeeded and one reason for this is that the likes of China have scientists and engineers running their country, most British MPs have barely a science O Level to their name… and it shows.

    While the TSB is, as a rule, substantially more strategic about how and why it provides funding, tech entrepreneurs are quite right to be skeptical of any and all government strategies. Britain’s economy, industry and infrastructure is in an abysmal mess and British citizens often appear more savvy as to how to tackle problems than are the very people they employ to lead the process!

  • http://twitter.com/livefreerange Jennifer D Begg

    Agree with Girlie Geek to a point, we definitely need more relevant representation in organisations like these (and the ministers they report to). The only problem is, we’re not going to get that by just criticising. There is a massive element of distrust here which makes for a very “them vs us” attitude.

    There’s nothing wrong with being sceptical (as I am of most government initiatives, especially from this government) but the real question is how to get more science and technology specialists involved in the actual policy making.

  • http://twitter.com/oceanician Ian Grails Moss

    Got any positive alternate suggestions Milo? Where would a similar investment go?

  • http://blog.alexguest.me Alex Guest

    For the taxpayer to be sceptical about the value-for-money that such initiatives create, is fair enough, although I suspect – without having adequate data – that Milo Yiannopoulos is wrong about the effects and returns that the TSB has reaped with its funding.

    However, for an entrepreneur to look at this offer of free money and criticise it, surprises me. I would expect someone who calls himself an ‘entrepreneur’ to be sufficiently nimble to adapt themselves to the opportunity. There’s up to £100,000 pounds on offer, with the promise of help to secure matched funding from the private sector. Yes, of course, there are hurdles. For example, you’ll have to account for it. The taxpayer would expect no less.

    I hear cries of lack of funding in UK startups. If one of those cries is yours and that funding could help you, have a crack at it. Give it your best shot. I will.

  • http://twitter.com/oceanician Ian Grails Moss

    I do think there’s a good point here, and I’m quite embarrassed that the author has to feel the need to teach people the basic social skills of constructive criticism. Generally, it’s better to learn to educate people about your point of view.

    Perhaps we get the people who run the incubator funds like seedcamp etc to get involved with the TSB. I’m sure they can be made more effective with positive feedback. People shouldn’t get government money for any old idea. But putting in place incubators offices / co-working facilities in city centre’s, and helping all parties involved connect with each other would be a great idea.

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  • David Bott

    Ian

    We have talked to any incubator that will help us target our limited amount of money more effectively. We certainly talk to seedcamp and many others. Most of our competitions are national, but this one is an attempt to find out how to support local clusters or activity. The feedback has been useful in refining the process, but we are discovering a wide variety of views and inevitably we won’t please everyone. We just need the simplest way to find and support the best companies.

    David

  • http://twitter.com/ninjamonk Darren Stuart

    I don’t think you should label this as a geek thing, it’s more of a British thing. I think that the fund in question is a Joke because it forces UK businesses to go to London if they want to compete. Now I pay plenty of tax and live in Exeter so I am paying in theory for startups to form in London and benefit the economy there with no benefit to the Exeter economy. I also think the idea of a competition is headline grabbing and not a fair way to do it especially if you want to keep a low profile before launch. It should be done behind closed doors.

    Now am I looking a gift horse in the mouth? probably but I think it’s my right as an English tax payer to have an opinion on how my tax is spent. That 1 million would of been better off being put into a YC style fund where people could apply to from anywhere in the UK and get funding if a panel of advisors thought it was a great idea and the person/people have the means to pull it off. Also it could of come with a condition if any of the companies made a profit of double the sum invested then they would have to repay the initial investment back into the fund to help the next bunch.

  • David Hughson

    Couldn’t agree more Alex. The thought of an entrepreneur seeing this as anything but a great opportunity is crazy to me. Where I work and live in Boston, competitions and funding calls from private organisations and government are applauded, not criticized.

    Also, those claiming that the TSB and other UK Government officials are not listening to what startups want/ need are way off base. There is constant consultation taking place and this government has done more in the last 6 months to make favorable changes for start-ups than anyone in the last 6 years.

  • Anonymous

    Bingo! The idea that we need a “silicon roundabout” rather than an approach that benefits the whole country seems ridiculous to me.

    Surely the whole benefit of tech in today’s world is that it allows for industry to spring up anywhere- London being as expensive as it is doesn’t make any sense but why single out one area anyway?!

    I like the coalition government and feel they get a bad rep but things like this are ridiculous.

  • http://carboncalculated.com Darragh Browne

    This article has some fair points….

    The TSB have been making investments and grants to business for years, what their return is, I don’t know. However, we should be glad that a government organisation like this exists at all; the more funds distributed, the better for the tech community and (hopefully) for wider economic growth. The fact that they ask for the funding to be matched, creates a need for private sector validation which should slightly reduce the risk to the taxpayer.

  • http://twitter.com/technicalbeat Tony Fleming

    In the US. the Commerce Dept. used to run the TOP (Technology Opportunities Program) however, changing administrations and shifting priorities nixed it at the very time it was most needed and starting to bear fruit. Our Nation’s budget scenario hasn’t improved much and the need for such creative initiatives is much greater if we are to remain competitive with the rest of the world, let alone in the lead. It’s going to take great minds, talent, sacrifice and commitment to get there. I applaud any successful efforts the U.K. puts in motion for its citizens and industries.

  • Andrew2

    I’m glad UK citizens are asking “what’s in it for the taxpayer?” – so many times the government (and I mean, LABOUR here when it comes to taxpayer waste) have thrown money at ill-thought out initiatives that get wasted on companies who don’t deliver. IT and taxpayer money in the UK? A toxic mix that’s cost the tax payer BILLIONS over the last 15 years if you just figure what was spent on IT systems on the NHS alone. So a “paltry” million in the Shoreditch area of London is likely to receive a negative reaction given all the waste that’s gone before it with government initiatives.

    p.s. glad TC dropped the stupid Facebook comments system – knew it wouldn’t last.

  • Andrew2

    You are wrong. “Just can’t bare to look” is WRONG. It’s not about “feelings” – the word “bear” should be used – as in, “to stand” something.

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  • Bangers and Mash

    I, for one, regard Britain (and most of Europe) as flyover country. It’s fun to drop in once in a while for a tour of an old castle, but as a place to do business, not so much. The Declaration of Independence nicely summarizes why we cut Britain loose, and not much has changed in the past 235 years.

  • http://www.stickyworld.com Michael Kohn

    Honestly people! TSB grants are (almost) awesome. What’s the problem here?
    TSB invests in commercially viable ideas at the early stage when no one else with any sense will invest, taking 50-60% risk but taking 0% equity – it just relies on a percentage of projects to really take off so that the taxpayer can get its money back eventually. And for the failures? Well thats a gamble we as tax payers should quite rightly be prepared to take on behalf of UK PLC. The TSB does have the word ‘strategy’ in its name after all – how else are they supposed to operate? So as far as I can work out, TSB has clearly figured out that digital start ups are quite a bit different to other established technology companies that they have backed in the past.Well spotted. And they are now trying an innovative funding call to suit the specifics of this sector. Great. Yes it is a bit odd that its restricted to Old Street and environs, but hey, if this scheme works, the pattern suggests that TSB will follow money with money in other quarters. And £100K sounds like the type of perfectly small investment (which incidentally costs TSB at lot to administer) that a promising Old Street based start up probably needs to make an impact with their idea. Sounds like real progress in our country’s strategic technology funding to me. So why are we kicking it? I wasn’t at the meeting but the negative reaction sounds really pathetic. I really hope none of the natural complainers win the money because, frankly, as a tax payer I’d be worried my investment in the hands of management with such negative attitudes.

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  • http://twitter.com/FrankfurtSirens james alexander

    You won’t do business in the EU, the largest economy in the world?

    Sounds like you don’t understand business, and have no idea how to break into the markets there.

    PS The American government knows NOTHING about entrepreneurialism, success there is largely a function of individual assertion, critical mass, lots of work permits for Asians, and great Californian weather.

    Enjoy your new Chinese masters as your country goes quite literally bankrupt.

  • http://twitter.com/FrankfurtSirens james alexander

    Sorry, but a ‘silicon roundabout’ is actually one of the best thing that the UK can have.

    A concentration of entrepreneurial types, or a ‘critical mass’ is one of the critical ingredients to creating a proper and healthy entrepreneurial environment.

    Having all your talent dispersed throughout the UK is actually not going to work – even in the days of Skype and the Internet.

    The UK would do well to create a ‘startup zone’ with that 1 million instead of direct investment.

  • http://twitter.com/ninjamonk Darren Stuart

    Maybe they should look at making these tech hubs in each county and excel growth and jobs that way.

  • YouBaggedMyHandle

    Er, if we’re looking up definitions then… ‘ Pedant: a person who makes an excessive or inappropriate display of learning.’ That says learning, not ignorance. ; )

  • Anonymous

    Imagine our grief that you won’t be patronising us with your presence. Please feel free to continue not coming here.

  • http://twitter.com/nick_appleyard nick_appleyard

    I explored some of the logic behind why we (Technology Strategy Board) are piloting this scheme in East London here: https://ktn.innovateuk.org/web/nick-appleyard/blogs/-/blogs/adding-heat-to-the-bonfire

    In short, when businesses with overlapping interest set up close to one another, they feed from one another and you have the chance that it will really kick off. This is a pilot to see whether some extra investment into projects in an existing cluster can add to this dynamic. If it works, we’d certainly look to franchise the model into other tech clusters around the country.

    But there’s some scepticism (including that expressed by some posts here) about whether it will work at all. If the nay-sayers are proved right, then why would we repeat the experiment? There are plenty of other ways we could be investing your money.

    So let’s give it a go, and see what we all learn.

  • http://twitter.com/mikebutcher Mike Butcher

    Can everyone read up on this again. It’s a *pilot* project.

  • Andy

    The tone and manner of your reply makes Daniel’s point for him.

  • Andy

    As much as it saddens me, as somebody who was born in Europe and lived in London for years, I’ve got to agree with you. Doing business in Europe is a painful affair compared to doing the same business in North America and Asia.

    I am not sure if it is the weight of history, a strange sense of entitlement or the remnants of the class system, I am always glad to heading west again after visiting.

  • http://twitter.com/ninjamonk Darren Stuart

    Fair enough that it’s a pilot I missed that point.

    Nick wouldn’t it be better to supply cheap resources like office space, funding advice, legal advice etc instead of funding direct? This way that money would go a lot further and if lots of these micro companies worked out the those spaces then it could create the collaborative environment that you are after.

    I think it’s positive that this exists just not over the moon it’s starting in London when there are cities like Bristol which are cheaper and have plenty of talent. I guess it’s time to move to London and shut up ;)

  • Fake MG

    The questioner in the crowd brought up a valid point. Its funny, when it comes to the government and public discourse, we are often taught to weigh all viewpoints and get into a dialog. That is always true, until somebody comes along and says “This whole project should be scrapped, we are working from the wrong premise here. Here’s why…” That person is forgotten, and treated like some kind of cantankerous fool. Why aren’t all the other people in the room– the ones discussing how to spend other people’s money– treated as having a suspect viewpoint. Why is the guy saying “We shouldn’t be wasting other people’s money on this…” treated like an outcast.

    Furthermore, about the point that we need to create long-term relationships to get our POV across to the government boards over time, and to affect change. I agree totally with that. But not everyone has time for that type of investment of efforts. If it is such a slow process (which you compared to steering a ship) how can you expect every individual to have such constant effort applied to government meetings and luncheons.

    But what, then, do they have time for? They have time to ask difficult questions in a Q&A! They have the opportunity to change the mood in a room. By doing that, they are adding to the cacophony of irrritation and displeasure. That, in itself is still a value if you are of the crowd that doesn’t believe in the programs presented. It causes pause for those in the middle, and those who have time to try steering the gov’t boards.

    One more point, you said that the questioner was “looking a gift horse in the mouth.” If only the Trojans had done that same thing with their own horse outside the walls of Troy, their fate would have been different, eh? – Consider the equal and opposite meaning of your headline.

  • Fake MG

    The questioner in the crowd brought up a valid point. Its funny, when it comes to the government and public discourse, we are often taught to weigh all viewpoints and get into a dialog. That is always true, until somebody comes along and says “This whole project should be scrapped, we are working from the wrong premise here. Here’s why…” That person is forgotten, and treated like some kind of cantankerous fool. Why aren’t all the other people in the room– the ones discussing how to spend other people’s money– treated as having a suspect viewpoint. Why is the guy saying “We shouldn’t be wasting other people’s money on this…” treated like an outcast.

    Furthermore, about the point that we need to create long-term relationships to get our POV across to the government boards over time, and to affect change. I agree totally with that. But not everyone has time for that type of investment of efforts. If it is such a slow process (which you compared to steering a ship) how can you expect every individual to have such constant effort applied to government meetings and luncheons.

    But what, then, do they have time for? They have time to ask difficult questions in a Q&A! They have the opportunity to change the mood in a room. By doing that, they are adding to the cacophony of irrritation and displeasure. That, in itself is still a value if you are of the crowd that doesn’t believe in the programs presented. It causes pause for those in the middle, and those who have time to try steering the gov’t boards.

    One more point, you said that the questioner was “looking a gift horse in the mouth.” If only the Trojans had done that same thing with their own horse outside the walls of Troy, their fate would have been different, eh? – Consider the equal and opposite meaning of your headline.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jwpking James King

    Why on earth does everyone assume that is is a good idea for start-ups to be based next to one another? So they can cheer / cry together? So they can learn… really? I hear it a lot and I don’t buy it.

    The start-ups I have founded and currently support benefit from people and businesses who are already successful being in proximity to them. We do collaborate and learn from other start-ups, why do we need to be holding hands and sharing an office to do that?

    The argument that services for start-ups can then be focused on a specific geographic area doesn’t hold water either. For example, there are plenty of web dev guys in shoreditch charging upward of £600 a day to start-ups… pro-rata that equates to north of £150k for a dev resource.

    The intentions are good, but the way I see it is; start-ups who are going to grow would be better placed next to established businesses, not each other.

    That’s just my personal opinion, I may be wrong. The government and many others seem to think I am, but they are playing with my and other people who agree hold the same opinion’s tax cash, I’d prefer it being spent on NI breaks, Retained earning incentives etc. rather than on building a yuppie roundabout culture.

  • Mohammad Al-Ubaydli

    If this is the tone of feedback government employees get, I would not be surprised if they disengage from interacting with the entrepreneurs community. You must learn to disagree without being disagreeable.

    And I assure you that it is *not* the scientists and engineers who are running China.

  • Paul Massey

    I agree with the author’s sentiment but I have some experience of trying to introduce collaborative and positive debate into the political sphere with a project called we20. We found that there are many challenges and people revert to confrontation mode as a default. Perhaps we can change this over time but it is going to take some concerted action. Also, I’m not convinced that you can make blanket statements that confrontation does not work or has no place. For example, with StartupUpBritain, the criticism about 99Designs, mainly from the UK Design Community, did result in them changing the link… However, if you look at how the third sector engages with government policy – marching and shouting – it does seem that there must be a better way. There is a lot of policy work going on in the background of the third sector/trade unions etc, but perhaps this should be brought forward more rather then going for media attention by organising a mass mobilisation which inevitably results in violence.

    Having done a couple of TSB applications, one with feedback from judges, I found it hard to understand how 5 judges could have such disparate feedback on the application, ranging from the “yes this should definitely be funded” to “this does not fall into scope”. I also find it hard to find out what has actually been funded. It would be great to see more transparency on this and see some Service Levels against which TSB investments are being measured and assesseed over time. We need metrics here on ROI and shouldn’t need an FOI request to get them. The TSB competition pages themselves give loads of information which is very helpful. Surely there should be as much information about what is funded.

  • http://twitter.com/nick_appleyard nick_appleyard

    Paul,
    We’ve been looking at the questions of feedback and transparency recently.

    Personally, I very much agree that we should be doing our best to give useful feedback to applicants, because only a minority will win grants but we should be trying to offer something that’s of use to the majority – feedback is a part of this.
    You’re quite right that our independent assessors don’t always agree with one another. It would be astonishing if they did. That’s why we put each proposal in front of five assessors (at five times the cost, but worth it to get a more reliable result), and why we hold moderating meetings to work through any differences of opinion in contentious cases. Generally, with a little discussion and facilitation, we can get the different assessors to agree on a conclusion.

    On transparency, we do issue press releases listing what projects are funded (where confidentiality restrictions don’t get in the way), but I’ll take the point that it would be helpful to have easier outside access to the lists of projects underway.

    On metrics… what would you measure and how would you measure it?

    Nick

  • http://twitter.com/IqbalGandham Iqbal

    Hi

    I was one of the many who shouted from the rooftops that it was a pile of ^&*%, however I have changed my mind, Why? because David et al have responded, they have not hidden away, and they are prepared to change. Surely the word pivot here comes to mind. Admittedly they should have done a little more customer discovery, and maybe employed the services of surverymonkey prior to bringing out the offer, but lets face it, many of us who claim to be entrepreneurs also just launch, and then worry about feedback later.

    With this analogy in mind should be not give the TSB a break, and engage with them instead. Sure they possibly do not have our expertise, :-) but they are not just catering for us ‘geeks’. In addition its only £1mn, and before everyone harps on about ‘our tax dollars’ please, lets not even go there, the gov is doing something positive with our tax dollars, or at least trying, as opposed to throwing it away on some scheme to help smokers quit smoking (flame war from smokers happily accepted).

    Now that I have managed to kiss and make up with David et al, I would like to say can you post a public list somewhere (may already exist) of companies/case studies of people who have go grants in the past, it will help to build a little credibility.

    Iqbal

    P.S I have a great idea for an app, which allows you to take pictures, and then automatically shows your pictures people are taking nearby, all in this cool stream like view, I think it rocks, and I am going to call it Colour (yes that is with a ‘u’) …looking forward to submit to TSB, there are copycats attempting to do the same, do not be fooled, mine has a ‘u’

  • http://twitter.com/MAKohn Michael Kohn

    Hi Iqbal – We must be on a list somewhere. Running Slider Studio, I have won 4 TSB grants in the course of 3 years, the main outcome being http://www.stickyworld.com, a platform for contextual dialogue and decision-making initially targeting the built environment (I’m an architect by profession). I had a near miss on one further application which I was gutted about and bombed out on another 5 others. Competition for grants is always steep so you have to be prepared for disappointment. Having said that, the collaborative consortiums I have set up for TSB projects – even for our failed applications -have generally strengthened our business networks and can lead to new B2B opportunities for us.

    StickyWorld still has quite a journey to go on, but we are now in early services revenues from some prestigious clients (cash positive) and about to close our beta programme to relaunch later in summer with our general SaaS offering. We are currently projecting we will profit sufficiently to pay back the UK taxpayer within the next 4 years. I started my business in 2006 with 7K family investment – not enough to build the type of technology we are now building, so we are super grateful for any grant funding that we win and we make sure we work extremely hard in delivering results from those funds. StickyWorld would probably be nowhere without the initial TSB grant and up to 6 people now could be without a job – so I for one will never look a gift horse in the mouth.

    Based out in Docklands on UEL campus – we are not quite within “Tech City” boundaries- but I would be happy to share my further detailed experiences of grant funding with any start up wanting to know more from the grant recipient’s perspective.

  • http://twitter.com/ColinHayhurst Colin Hayhurst

    Well done the TSB: For the tech community this is the most promising initiative to come from them yet. I was slightly negative about until they dropped the collaboration requirement: I’m now positive and chops to them for listening and iterating.

    If you are concerned, even suspicious, about all this attention that Silicon Roundabout is getting, I suggest you put that aside. This is a pilot after all. Plus put your energies into making the case for supporting your local hub/area/city. Brighton +1, by the way.

    I’m posting a week late, because I’ve been too busy telling companies about this pilot and other sources of funding: Grants for R&D; Collaborative R&D; angels; ……. bye and back to it……

  • We Like Less Hype

     Is it clear who the judges are?

  • ahmet tayfur

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